1st gen touch won't charge with iphone cables...but there's more issues...

so i got an ipod touch off fleabay...tried charging it on the cable i charge my 3gs with, doesn't charge or even recognize it on my computer (nothing happens at all)...as far as i knew any older equipment would work on newer cables...is this incorrect?
to make things more confusing i bought a "first gen" touch data cable...it does nothing...no charge or recognition by computer...only way i've successfully charged the touch is to hook it up to an old speaker system or in my car to my pioneer touchscreen...but this doesn't help with putting any movies/music on it.
googling for hours results in tons of recommendations for getting new "high quality" cables or doing a restore on the ipod...so i did a restore and it's stuck in the "connect to itunes" mode now...but still isn't recognized by either of my computers...
any suggestions are greatly appreciated. i'm about to throw this thing out the window lol

anyone?

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