2.5 hour long recital.. Dual layer advice

Hello. I have a 2 and a half hour long dance recital that I have to output to 50 DVDs. I have never made a dual layer DVD before. My main question is if it is possible, and if so, do the DL dvds have issues playing on normal dvd players? I have outputed to Verbatim 4x white dvds with no problems in the past, hoping that it is the same with their DL dvds. I would be burning the dvds directly from my G5 with DVDSP3.
Also, the program is divided into two pieces. Should I bring the program into DVDSP as two m2v files?
Thanks for any help...
Dual 2GHz G5 Mac OS X (10.3.9)

It, of course, depends on the player. Since DVD-R reflectivity is already less than that of a pressed disc, it makes it more difficult for players to read. Add to that the fact that a player has to read through one layer to the next, and it'll be even harder.
I would expect that many newer players will be OK with DVD+R DL discs, as at least those discs would have existed when the players were made. For older players that predate the DL recordables, it may be the luck of the draw.
However, I have a Sony DVP-S550D DVD player that I purchased early in 1999. At that time, I think DVD recordables were in their infancy back then, and DL recordables certainly didn't exist. This player has no problems reading DVD+R DL discs from Verbatim.

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