2.66 mhz vs 3.0 mhz

Going to order a Quad this week. Is the bump in performance great enough to justify the price difference?
We plan on adding 6-8 gb ram to the machine as well.
Thanks.
Mac OS X (10.4.9)

Generally speaking no. However that really depends on your perpective and individual usage. For instance, if you find that you are constantly pushing your processor(s) to their limit for extended periods (such as video encoding) the difference will be worthwhile. For most people the difference won't even be noticed and the money better spent in RAM and/or drives.

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Ibook 500 mhz upgraded to 700 mhz

I've upgraded my ibook 500 mhz to a 700 mhz by switching the logic board. Everything seemed to be working well,unfortunately now I can install any new system software on it. Everytime I try to install either OS 9 or OS X from different CD's, an installer error occurs. With one CD the screen changes with coloured lines through it, other cd's give me installer errors. Has anyone ever heard of something like this before?
Thanks.

The fact that the two models have different methods for resetting the PMU should have been a clue to you that this would not work. I'm afraid you are going to have to try something different.
The logic board for the 500 MHz model can be found at PowerBook Tech. If you talk to Daniel there, he may be able to tell you which other model will work. (I believe you could use the 600 MHz model and have it work okay, too, but he will know for certain.) He may be willing to swap boards with you.
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1333 mhz vs. 1600 mhz

what are the differences between the two when comparing ram?
Will you notice a difference when using your computer and if so how would you see the difference.

OWC has found that their RAM with a 1600MHz frequency will work on 2011 MBPs.
http://blog.macsales.com/14262-boost-2011-mbp-performance-with-1600mhz-ram
RAM from other vendors should work, but Macs have a reputation of being very selective when it comes to RAM. Order from OWC if you wish to eliminate any risk.
Ciao.

400 MHZ G4 and 466 MHZ G4 and 10.5

Basically long story short.. can it be installed on these older macs? Bascially at work they are wanting to do some testing on MACS but all we have laying around are a bunch of G4's. 466mhz and older. I have ram available and they all look like 10 gig HD's.
Thoughts?

Those Macs are over 7 years old.
The most current operating system they can run is 10.4.11, which was last sold back in September of 2007.
You can buy newer Macs for less than the quoted $600 if you are interested.
Read the specs of the software:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/techspecs/
And then look for comparable Macs that are used and refurbished*:
http://www.macmaps.com/usedrefurbished.html
That fit your budget. You may also find a retail copy of 10.4 which looks like * that will install on those Macs too. Just make sure the 10.4 does not say Upgrade or Update on the disc. Those were made for a limited release period of Macs from April 8th through 26th, 2005.
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Swapping Quick Silver 733 Mhz with a 867 Mhz Quick silver processor

do I need a new motherboard or do I just need to buy the processor because it uses the same motherboard?

Hi-
Just a new processor.
However, if you can get the processor card with the heat sink, do so.
There are two different standoff peg heights that I have seen, so it is always safest to get the heat sink that came with the processor.
Unless the daughter card is a dual processor, however, not getting the heat sink is not a deal breaker.
The one that you have should work without issue.
Other than that note, any processor from any Quicksilver may be freely installed in any model of Quicksilver with no motherboard change necessary.

AMD Athlon XP 2800 (Barton Core) will not post at FSB 166 MHz.

Per top of the board “stickys” I have read a great number of the post on this board and done my homework to provide as much technical info to help you help me. This should explain some of it’s lengthy nature.
Aside from Memory, HDD and Video card every thing else has been unplugged from board and power or stripped out of slots to isolate the problem.
Presently running BIOS: A6712 V. 1B
*As seen on face of MoBo: KT4V MS-6712 Ver:10A
*The Original Box bar code label: KT4V-L (601-6712-050)
K7, KT400. 5.1 chnl. S/W Audio, LAN, D-Bracket 2.
CPU: AMD Athlon AXDL 2800 DLV4D
Q334763K40034 AQYHA 0447APMW
Chip lable
Athlon XP (Barton) Low Power Processor (Model 10) 2083 MHz
OPGA Organic Pin Grid Array 1.50 Volt max. Temp. 85°C
512 KB L2 Cache 333 MHz System bus (166 MHz FSB) x 12.5
Memory: x3- PC 2700 512 mb DDR 333 Super Talent
And shows at post as running 333MHz. MemTested to 1,000% with first 1 stick, then all 3 sticks presently on bios A6712vms.1B0. at fsb 100MHz (aprox. 24hr.) I even installed and ran other AMD utillitys while MemTest was running to “stress” the system memory with zero errors. During this period I checked Windows Task Manager > Performance, CPU usage at 100%, PF usage 1.35gb. No Probs.
Video card: Removed: MSI AGP-8X Ti4200- VTD8X 128 MB DDR 533MHz
Replace with: PCI card (to rule out AGP card prob.) Gilmont, nVidia 64mb
(also tried Matrox AGP 32mb card with no different results then above cards)
Power Supply: L&C Model: LC-B350 ATX = 350 watt
      115/130v      B/4a      60/50 hz
      +3.3v/+5v   1+12v   -12/-5v    +5vsb
      28a   35a    16a    0.8a    0.3a   2a
   +3.3v combined load 200w
Cooler: Slim Volcano 10+, P/N A1671, rated for up to AMD Athlon CP 3400+ & fresh heat sink compound. Freshly re-seated.
All PCI slots empty as I attempt to run bare bones to eliminate problems. (except now running Vido card in 1 slot)
Floppy Drive: ribbon unplugged from board
HDD-0: Seagate 8 gb master, (HDD tested w/no errors)
O/S: Win. XP w/sp2
HDD-1: slave/ unplugged from ribbon and power
Sony CD-Rom: Unplugged from PCI slot and power
SATA/RAID-usb 2.0 card and other HDD’s, removed and not included till Sys. runs at full potential.
Exterior HDD and Burner beyond the scope here and not attached.
O/S Win. XP-sp2
BIOS I have tried: The original; Ver:10A, ran fine on Athlon XP 1600 (1400 MP) 3 years.
•   Then with MSI Live Update 3: Installed v. 1c which couldn’t run FSB 166MHz (MSI:” Fixes system reports incorrect message for AMD 3200+ CPU.
- Supports Sempron L2 512K 3000+ CPU.)
However, v. 1.c did not work and would not post at all with the newly installed Barton AMD-XP 2800. [frankly this attempt was months ago and I do not remember whether it would post at the slower 100 and 133 FSB speeds, and also to muddle my memory further I was upgrading an A7N8X-D with a Barton XP 3000 and having similar problems on the ASUS,,, which is now running fine at full potential. ; - p
•   Then I selected and flashed A6712 V 1.7 122602, boots and runs Win.XP-sp2 at FSB 100MHz & 133MHZ. (MSI:” Supports AMD Barton XP2800+ (FSB333) CPU
-Fixes system sometimes will have IDE CRC error -Fixes D-bracket2+USB keyboard, cannot use keyboard on DOS mode.)” which couldn’t run FSB 166MHz.
I checked with the Tech. at the local shop where I purchased the KT4V MoBo. He suggested I try a different BIOS but he didn’t specify which one. He is a personal friend and admits to some bad luck and dead boards due to flashing bios so reluctant to mess with it.
•   Now running: A6712vms.1B0 – MSI hid this BIOS V. found here:
•   http://www.msi.com.tw/program/support/bios/bos/spt_bos_detail.php?UID=362&kind=1
•    On a different page than the 2 versions mentioned above. http://www.msicomputer.com/support/bios_result.asp
•    No wonder people are frustrated and confused about different MoBo versions there ID #’s and the BIOS versions them selves as seen on this news board. MSI’s fault, no fault of anyone here trying to help.
A6712vms.1B0
Runs fine at FSB 100 (shows as XP 1250+) and FSB 133 (shows as XP 2200+) Booting to Win. XP-sp2 on CMOS, default setup other than minor tweaks to accommodate MSI Ti 4200 AGP 8X 125mb graphics card or Gilmond PCI card. But which couldn’t run FSB 166MHz .
No post at FSB 166 mhz (once, it did flash a post screen stating AMD Athlon XP 2800 for about 2 sec. before going blank) Manual power down. Just now I rebooted with FSB 166, and again saw the AMD Athlon XP 2800 at top of the post screen as I hit pause break,,,, then the machine power crashed to Off. Once it even loaded Win.XP-sp2 but crashed to power off with in 2 min.
I must have booted this beast a dozen times or more after Clear CMOS jumper each time it went to blank screen with mach. still running. Start over; set Default settings and work up with FSB 100, 133, each time to read what POST says and see if it will boot to O/S.
Btw: I have looked for clear evidence through the not so specific descriptions MSI uses to separate these board model #s and may be part of my current problem with correct board ID = correct BIOS ID.
Found here:
[VIA] unofficial FAQ for KT4 series motherboards
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=6090.0
Eg: - KT4 Ultra (MS-6590), 6-channel hardware audio codec
• KT4 Ultra (Pure Version)
• KT4 Ultra-B (Bluetooth ready)
• KT4 Ultra-BSR (Bluetooth ready + Serial ATA RAID)
• KT4 Ultra-FISR (Bluetooth ready, Serial ATA RAID, Gigabit LAN, IEEE 1394)
- KT4V (MS-6712), 6-channel software audio codec
• KT4V-L, with onboard 10/100 LAN
- KT4M (MS-6596) micro-ATX board
• KT4M-L, with onboard 10/100 LAN
- KT4A Ultra, (MS-6590) NEW!! based on KT400A chipset
• KT4A Ultra (Standard Version)
• KT4A Ultra-SR (Serial ATA RAID)
• KT4A Ultra-FISR (Serial ATA RAID, Gigabit LAN, IEEE 1394)
And a very similar version of this on Official MSI site. Both seem to try and make a difference between modles with on board Lan, and Blue Tooth ready.
Take a look at my original box sticker:
*As seen on face of MoBo: KT4V MS-6712 Ver:10A
*The Original Box bar code label: KT4V-L (601-6712-050)
K7, KT400. 5.1 chnl. S/W Audio, LAN, D-Bracket 2.
Yup, it says all this on the sticker and the in the manual and verified on the MoBo. So I can only guess at all parts of the puzzle as they gave them to me which lead me to the afore mention BIOS versions I ran, or am running. The sticker points to nearly half of the boards above except for the MS-6712 and the Ver:10a which is what I based my BIOS choices on. If someone knows differently and can lead me to official Nfo with a better answer I’m all ears.
Just saw this: Latest Official BIOS : KT4 MS-6590 (1.4), KT4V MS-6712 (1.8 ) , KT4M MS-6596 (1.1)>>Here: [VIA] unofficial FAQ for KT4 series motherboards
« on: 24 October 02, 05:14:04 » But these links and all but one link in this ‘sticky’ are broken .
So if (1.8) is the Latest Official BIOS for KT4V MS-6712 then what is this at the Official MSI SITE ?
KT4V
BIOS Type
AMI® BIOS     File Sizes
485KB
Version
1.C     Update date
Update Description   -Support Sempron L2 512K 3000+ CPU.
BIOS Type
AMI® BIOS     File Size
Version
1.B     Update date
2004-8-9
Update Description   Support Sempron 2200+/2300+/2400+/2500+/2600+/2800+ CPU.
BIOS Type
AMI® BIOS     File Sizes
485Kb Version
1.A     Update date
2004-5-13
Update Description   - System is unstable to run 3DMark03 with ATI 9600 PRO
- Add "PS/2 Keyboard Detection" Function.
- Support AMD 2400+ CPU.
BIOS Type
AMI® BIOS     File Sizes
514KB
Version
1.9     Update date
2003-7-29
Update Description   -Fixed Adaptec 2100S SCSI card cannot be used
-Modify CPU temperature detection
-Support boot from Onboard LAN
BIOS Type
AMI® BIOS     File Sizes
514KB
Version
1.8     Update date
2003-2-12
Update Description   -Support AMD Barton XP3000+ (FSB333) CPU
-Add "CPU Halt Command Detection" item in the BIOS Setup
Please also keep in mind I’m not trying to scuff anyone’s shoes…I just want to get what’s right for my board so that it and the CPU can live up to their full, "as advertised" potential and run with the other 3 big dogs under my desk.
This seems descriptive enough and rather lengthy. Just doing my homework and reporting my findings so I won’t include actual CMOS settings unless requested. I have notes on all settings I currently use to boot with this problem.
Other Dogs:
ASUS A7N8X-D running Athlon XP 3000 barton core 10 (runs fsb 400..whoknew?), Mem:2.5gb Super Talent
ASUS A7M266-D running Athlon XP 2800 (mp), Mem: 3gb Super Talent
Athlon XP 2800 (mp)
I don’t want to boar you with the details.
Yes, and the above have been upgraded w/new chips GFX cards and BIOS,,, NP.
Cut to sound track: Down on the BIOS again,,, wasn’t that Creedance Clear Water Revival?
Any suggestions or insights are much appreciated.

Welcome, and thank you for a thorough input! Hope I don't miss something you already said!
Quick version: Try setting processor voltage to 1,5 volt.
Long version:
Posting at wrong FSB can be put down to two things:
1 The processor isn't what you thought it is, but I think you eliminated that.
2 The system cannot run the processor at the correct speed. Mainly this has to with overheating, and/or that memory and processor cannot cooperate. This must be it, as you noticed the processor is correctly recognised.
You have little connected right? Then the best thing would be to pull power cable out. Take the motherboard and redo the seating of the processor, this is much better done with motherboard taken out.
At the same time, I suggest you clear CMOS. Should always be done when changing processor, and I've noticed on the Internet there are a few 1,5V XP2800 around.
http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:Q4eIa6OhudcJ:forums.amd.com/lofiversion/index.php/t47487.html+AXDL2800DLV4D+problem&hl=sv&gl=se&ct=clnk&cd=1

Will 1333 MHz RAM work in a 27" 2012 Intel 3.2 iMac?

I've got a 27" 2012 Intel iMac 3.2 Ghz - got 4 Gig of Corsair DDR3 laptop RAM that appears to be compatible but it's 1333 MHz instead of 1600 MHz. I'm assuming it would work but would drop the overall memory speed to 1333 MHz from 1600MHz. Or should I put down the bong and get the compatible 1600 MHz RAM from OWC/Crucial?

It will likely work, but how reliably is a question mark. The memory bus would run slower and reduce performance.
Get the spec'd memory for the computer. You might as well spend the money now then have to spend even more later.
Use OWC or Crucial, if you wish. I usually go with DataMem. But it really doesn't make any difference.

Technical Innumerousy in Mac OS versions, Mhz/Ghz, processor names

When discussing Mac OS versions, it is important to be concise about which version you are using. Starting with Mac OS X matters got a bit more confusing because of the repeated use of 10. X naturally is the roman numeral for 10, but that fact alone should not change the written communication of which version you are conveying to the people on this or any other forum. This may mean you choose to repeat 10 in both roman and arabic numerals, or simply omit the roman numeral.
Mac OS X 10.1.1 is just as easy to understand as Mac OS 10.1.1. They are in fact the same thing. But please when conveying it, don't say Mac OS X 1.1.1. That is meaningless, and can lead to confusion. Even worse, we've seen Mac OS X 1.1, or 1.5. 1.5 could mean Mac OS X 10.1.5, 10.2.5, 10.3.5, 10.4.5, or 10.5.5. Worsening matters is not everyone knows the the codenames for the operating system.
To clarify matters, here are a listing of versions in sequence of Mac OS releases (some of these are free updates to the preceding version while the boldface are not and the boldface ones notate where you can't upgrade beyond for free either; 9.0.2 is not a free update to 8.6), starting in 1984 (then called System x.x):
1.0 (.97), 1.1, 2.0, 2.1, 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, 3.4, 4.0, 4.1, 5.0, 5.1, 6.0, 6.0.1, 6.0.2, 6.0.3, 6.0.4, 6.0.5, 6.0.6, 6.0.7, 6.0.8, 6.0.8L, 7.0, 7.0.1, 7 Tuner, 7.1, 7.1 Pro, 7.1Px (where x was a number 1 through 6. This was for certain Perfoma Macs), 7.1.2, 7.1.2P, 7.5
After this point Mac OS became commmon name for the operating system version:
7.5.1 (a.k.a. System 7.5 Update 1.0), 7.5.2, 7.5.3 (System 7.5 Update 2.0), 7.5.3L, 7.5.3 Revision 2, 7.5.3 Revision 2.1, 7.5.4, 7.5.5, 7.6, 7.6.1, 8.0, 8.1, 8.5, 8.5.1, 8.6, 9.0, 9.0.2, 9.0.3, 9.0.4, 9.1, 9.2, 9.2.1, 9.2.2, 10.0, 10.0.1, 10.0.2, 10.0.3, 10.0.4, 10.1, 10.1.1, 10.1.2, 10.1.3, 10.1.4, 10.1.5, 10.2, 10.2.1, 10.2.2, 10.2.3, 10.2.4, 10.2.5, 10.2.6, 10.2.7 (only available as a prebundled release), 10.2.8, 10.3, 10.3.1, 10.3.2, 10.3.3, 10.3.4, 10.3.5, 10.3.5, 10.3.6, 10.3.7, 10.3.8, 10.3.9, 10.4, 10.4.1, 10.4.2, 10.4.3, 10.4.4 (first prebundled Intel Mac release, Intel Macs from here through 10.4.11 could not installer discs other than what shipped with them to install their operating system. 10.5 was the next retail disc that could install an operating system on them), 10.4.5, 10.4.6, 10.4.7, 10.4.8, 10.4.9, 10.4.10, 10.4.11, 10.5, 10.5.1, 10.5.2, 10.5.3, 10.5.4, 10.5.5, 10.5.6.
Mhz literacy, it should be important to distinguish between Mhz and Ghz. A 1 Ghz machine is faster than a 900 Mhz machine. An 800 Mhz Mac can't install Mac OS X 10.5, even if it has dual processors. A Mac with a faster processor from a non-Apple preinstalled source needs support from that non-Apple source to install an operating system, if it came with a processor that doesn't meet the 867 Mhz minimum either.
Apple's processors have included a variety of processors named by generation until the release of the Intel chips. This has confused some users. A G5 and an Intel are not the same thing. These are the separate yet distinguishable releases by generation of processor, some of which you will never see the actual generation indicated on the machine:
G1 = Motorola 68000, 68020, 68030, 680LC40, 68040.
G2 = PowerPC 601, 603, 604
G3 = PowerPC 233 through 700 Mhz
G4 = PowerPC 350 Mhz through 1.67 Ghz
G5 = PowerPC 1.6 through 2.7 Ghz
G6 = Intel Core Solo, Duo, Core2Duo, Xeon, Multicore
PowerPC was the result of a collaboration of Apple, IBM, and Motorola. Some chips were manufactured by IBM, while others by Motorola.
Only G3 through G5 generations were actually named by their generation. The rest were distinguished by characteristics on the right hand side of the equal sign above. The G5 iMac, PowerMac G5, and the G4 Mac Mini are among the hardest to distinguish apart from their Intel counterparts based on their exterior. To tell apart G5 iMacs from Intel iMacs, see this article:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1463?viewlocale=en_US
To tell apart G4 Mac Minis from the Intel Mac Minis, look at the number of USB ports on the rear. The G4 had only 2 USB ports on their rear, whereas the Intel had more. The Powermac G5 had only one optical drive bay in front, where the Mac Pro had two. Apple made their notebooks easier to tell apart by generation with a label right below the screen. MacBook is Intel, where Powerbook and iBook are PowerPC.
Try to keep these specifics in mind when posting, so communication is clear as to which machine and operating system you are discussing.
Message was edited by: a brody

Hi a brody,
"Technical Innumerousy"?
The section with all the numbers is overwhelming. Maybe if it is broken out for readability:
10.0, 10.0.1, 10.0.2, 10.0.3, 10.0.4 (Cheetah)
10.1, 10.1.1, 10.1.2, 10.1.3, 10.1.4, 10.1.5 (Puma)
10.2, 10.2.1, 10.2.2, 10.2.3, 10.2.4, 10.2.5, 10.2.6, 10.2.7 (only available as a prebundled release), 10.2.8 (Jaguar)
10.3, 10.3.1, 10.3.2, 10.3.3, 10.3.4, 10.3.5, 10.3.5, 10.3.6, 10.3.7, 10.3.8, 10.3.9 (Panther)
10.4, 10.4.1, 10.4.2, 10.4.3, 10.4.4 (first prebundled Intel Mac release, Intel Macs from here through 10.4.11 could not installer discs other than what shipped with them to install their operating system. 10.5 was the next retail disc that could install an operating system on them), 10.4.5, 10.4.6, 10.4.7, 10.4.8, 10.4.9, 10.4.10, 10.4.11 (Tiger)
10.5, 10.5.1, 10.5.2, 10.5.3, 10.5.4, 10.5.5, 10.5.6 (Leopard)
I think you are adding to the confusion with the "Generation" numbers, almost making it sound like there are processor generation numbers for every model of the Macintosh.
The Power Mac G3, G4 and G5 were referring to that generation of the Power PC processor specifically, not the generation of the Macintosh and it doesn't flow into non Power PC (processor) units. I don't remember the Motorola processors being referred to as G1, they were the 68k family of processors and there is no G6 as the Power PC processor stopped at the Power PC G5 processor.
"Only G3 through G5 generations were actually named by their generation." Again, they were not named for the Generation of the Mac, but the generation of the Power PC Processor they contained.
We no longer call them Gx as we no longer use Power PC processors.
For your consideration,
Nubz N.

Can FW800 133 MHz board from single 1 GHz machine take a dual processor?

I've read in more than one place that the logic board from the 1 GHz FW800 machine can't be used with ANY dual processor. Can anybody tell me with a reasonable degree of certainty whether this is true or not?
Please don't bother answering based on general principles. I already believe -- tell me if I'm wrong -- that every other MDD FW400 or FW800 board CAN take a dual processor and, except for this question, EVERY processor will work EITHER with EVERY 133 MHz board OR with EVERY 167 MHz board.

From my experience the processor card should be compatible, but don't hang me if I'm wrong.
This page showes how to set different multipliers = bus ratios.
So, according to the default multipliers for the MDDs, you get:
6.5x 133 MHz bus = 864.5 MHz CPU (867 MHz)
6.0x 166 MHz bus = 996 MHz CPU (1.0 GHz)
7.5x 166 MHz bus = 1,245 MHz CPU (1.25 GHz)
Thus, if you put a Dual 1.0 GHz onto a 133 MHz board, you'd get not 1.0 GHz but 800 MHz instead (798 MHz to be exact). The same goes for the 1.25 GHz where you'd get 1.0 GHz (997.5 MHz), and for the 1.42 GHz where it'd be 1,1 GHz (1130 MHz, multiplier 8.5x).
6.0x 133 MHz bus = 798.0 MHz CPU (1.0 GHz → 800 MHz)
7.5x 133 MHz bus = 997.5 MHz CPU (1.25 GHz → 1.0 GHz)
8.5x 133 MHz bus = 1,130 MHz CPU (1.42 GHz → 1.1 GHz)
So, if you alter the bus speed of the board (see here, link is from the xlr8yourmac page linked above) you will be able to use the Dual processors for the 166 MHz bus on your 133 MHz board, then overclocked to 166 MHz, at their designed speeds. If you don't what to change the boards system bus speed the processors will just be underclocked, thus run slower – with all the advantages like less power consumption and less heat emission together with a prolonged lifetime.
To fit the 133 MHz system bus you would have to change the multipliers on the processor daughter card to run at the processors native speeds.
Just one example:
1,000 MHz / 133 MHz = 7.5x
So, if you'd want to run a Dual 1.0 GHz processor on a 133 MHz system board you'd have to alter the multiplier from 6.0x (for the original 166 MHz system bus) to 7.5x (for your 133 MHz system bus) – the resistors to change the multiplier reside on the processor daughter board.
That said, keep in mind that this procedure is *NOT tested or confimed*, but it seems logical, doesn't it?
I had a OWC Mercury Extreme 1.4 GHz processor upgrade placed in a Gigabit Ethernet replaced into a Quicksilver (2001 version). As you can see here, it had set the multiplier to 14x to have it run at 1.4 GHz on the Gigabith Ethernet (100 MHz system bus) and I had to set the jumpers to a multiplier of 10.5x for the Quicksilver (133 MHz system bus).
Thus, if I had put the OWC Mercury Extreme running at 1.4 GHz in the 133 MHz bus Quicksilver unmodified back into the 100 MHz bus Gigabit Ethernet, it would run at 1050 MHz (roughly 1.0 GHz).
That's it. There wouldn't be more to it than that, but the latter source (for changing the motherboards system bus speed) states that Apple put in some protection on the processor daughter card to prevent increase in system bus speed if no dual processor is present. Since this doesn't apply to you as you stick to your 133 MHz system bus it shouldn't bother you.
*But don't blame me* if it should turn out to be completely wrong!
Cheers,
Andreas.

54 MHz Core Clock? FX5600-VTD256

Hello there, Recently upgraded my video card & when I ran 3DMARK03 it shows my core clock @ 54 MHz & memory clock @ 100 MHz ?? ?? ??
Here are the results:
Description MSI MS-StarForce GeForce FX 5600 (NVIDIA GeForce FX 5600)
Manufacturer NVIDIA
Total Local Video Memory 256 MB
Total Local Texture Memory 256 MB
Total AGP Memory 62 MB
Driver File nv4_disp.dll
Driver Version 4.4.0.3
Driver Date 5-2-2003
Driver WHQL Certified false
Max Texture Width 4096 px
Max Texture Height 4096 px
Max User Clipping Planes 6
Max Active Hardware Lights 8
Max Texture Blending Stages 8
Fixed Function Textures In Single Pass 8
Vertex Shader Version 2.0
Pixel Shader Version 2.0
Max Vertex Blend Matrices 0
Max Texture Coordinates 8
VGA Memory Clock 100.3 MHz
VGA Core Clock 54.0 MHz
PCI
Name MSI MS-StarForce GeForce FX 5600 (NVIDIA GeForce FX 5600)
Vendor ID 0x10de
Device ID 0x0312
SubSystem ID 0x91261462
Revision ID 0xa1
Any suggestions would be greatly apprieciated.
Thanks,
~Trev

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Originally posted by akchill1
Hello there, Recently upgraded my video card & when I ran 3DMARK03 it shows my core clock @ 54 MHz & memory clock @ 100 MHz ?? ?? ??
Here are the results:
VGA Memory Clock 100.3 MHz
VGA Core Clock 54.0 MHz
PCI
Name MSI MS-StarForce GeForce FX 5600 (NVIDIA GeForce FX 5600)
Any suggestions would be greatly apprieciated.
Thanks,
~Trev
You can fix this by flashing the VGA BIOS using the LiveUpdate3 utility. I had the same problem as shown here:
After flashing the VGA BIOS, it looks like this:
If you still have LiveUpdate2 installed, you'll need to upgrade to LiveUpdate3 before continuing. You do that by contacting the LiveUpdate BIOS server via the LiveUpdate2 icon on your desktop and attempting run the flash program. You'll get a message then telling you to update to v3 first. After updating, run the flash program again but make sure that you disable your firewall first because it will interfere with the flash program.
Once the flash program finishes, the machine will reboot automatically. You may have to reboot a second time if you still can't access the MSI Clock Speed setting in Display Properties, or at least that's what I found to be necessary.

845e ht ready and pc 2100 200/266 mhz 256 mb memmory module(s)

Hi all i am experiencing this problem on all my mainboards as described in the title, here it is:
Bios recognizes only 128 Mb of Ram no matter if they are 1 or 2 (same kind of modules), i tried BIOS update too.
The weird thing it's that it's happening on all my mainboards of this kind but when i'm trying the same memory modules on MSI VIA chipset based mainboards it all works fine.
Thank you in advance for your replies

motherboard is MS-65663 ver 2
Here is the report generated by AIDA, i cutted off the stuff about the OS because it is too long if you need it i will post it in the reply if asked:
--------[ AIDA32 (c) 1995-2004 Tamas Miklos ]---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Version AIDA32 v3.93
Author [email protected]
Homepage http://www.aida32.hu
Report Type Report Wizard
Computer MARIUS
Generator M
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Professional 5.1.2600 (WinXP Retail)
Date 2004-03-18
Time 01:06
--------[ Summary ]-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Computer:
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Professional
OS Service Pack None
Internet Explorer 6.0.2600.0000 (IE 6.0 - Windows XP)
Computer Name MARIUS
User Name M
Logon Domain MARIUS
Motherboard:
CPU Type Intel Celeron 4A, 2400 MHz (6 x 400)
Motherboard Name MSI 845E Max (MS-6566E) (6 PCI, 1 AGP, 1 CNR, 2 DIMM)
Motherboard Chipset Intel Brookdale i845E
System Memory 128 MB (PC2100 DDR SDRAM)
BIOS Type AMI (09/01/03)
Communication Port Communications Port (COM1)
Communication Port Communications Port (COM2)
Communication Port ECP Printer Port (LPT1)
Display:
Video Adapter Inno3D GeForce4 MX 440 with AGP8X (64 MB)
3D Accelerator nVIDIA GeForce4 MX 440 with AGP8X
Multimedia:
Audio Adapter Intel 82801DB(M) ICH4(-M) - AC'97 Audio Controller [B-0]
Storage:
Floppy Drive Floppy disk drive
Disk Drive SAMSUNG SP0401N
Optical Drive SONY CD-RW CRX230E
Partitions:
C: (FAT32) 4994 MB (3712 MB free)
D: (FAT32) 33188 MB (10932 MB free)
Input:
Keyboard Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural PS/2 Keyboard
Mouse PS/2 Compatible Mouse
Network:
Primary IP Address 217.10.212.188
Primary MAC Address 00-10-4B-6A-16-1D
Network Adapter 3Com EtherLink XL 10/100 PCI TX NIC (3C905B-TX) (217.10.212.188)
--------[ DMI ]---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[ BIOS ]
BIOS Properties:
Vendor American Megatrends Inc.
Version 07.00T
Release Date 04/02/01
Size 512 KB
Boot Devices Floppy Disk, Hard Disk, CD-ROM, ATAPI ZIP, LS-120
Capabilities Flash BIOS, Shadow BIOS, Selectable Boot, EDD, BBS
Supported Standards DMI, APM, ACPI, ESCD, PnP
Expansion Capabilities ISA, PCI, AGP, USB
[ System ]
System Properties:
Manufacturer Micro-Star Inc.
Product MS-6566E
Version 1.0
Serial Number 00000000
Wake-Up Type Modem Ring
[ Motherboard ]
Motherboard Properties:
Manufacturer Micro-Star Inc.
Product MS-6566E
Version 1.0
Serial Number 00000000
[ Chassis ]
Chassis Properties:
Manufacturer Uknown Chassis Manufacture
Version Version 1.00
Serial Number 123456890
Asset Tag 0123ABC
Chassis Type Desktop Case
[ Memory Controller ]
Memory Controller Properties:
Error Detection Method None
Supported Memory Interleave 1-Way
Current Memory Interleave 1-Way
Supported Memory Types DIMM, SDRAM
Supported Memory Voltages 3.3V
Maximum Memory Module Size 1024 MB
Memory Slots 2
[ Processors / Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 Processor ]
Processor Properties:
Manufacturer Intel
Version Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 Processor
External Clock 100 MHz
Maximum Clock 3000 MHz
Current Clock 2400 MHz
Type Central Processor
Voltage 3.3 V, 2.9 V
Status Enabled
Socket Designation FC-478
[ Caches / Internal Cache ]
Cache Properties:
Type Internal
Speed 40 ns
Status Enabled
Operational Mode Write-Back
Associativity 4-way Set-Associative
Maximum Size 1024 KB
Installed Size 8 KB
Supported SRAM Type Synchronous
Current SRAM Type Synchronous, Pipeline Burst
Error Correction Single-bit ECC
Socket Designation Internal Cache
[ Caches / Internal Cache ]
Cache Properties:
Type Internal
Speed 40 ns
Status Enabled
Operational Mode Write-Back
Maximum Size 1024 KB
Installed Size 128 KB
Supported SRAM Type Synchronous
Current SRAM Type Synchronous
Error Correction Parity
Socket Designation Internal Cache
[ Memory Modules / DIMM1 ]
Memory Module Properties:
Socket Designation DIMM1
Type DIMM, SDRAM
Installed Size 512 MB
Enabled Size 512 MB
[ Memory Modules / DIMM2 ]
Memory Module Properties:
Socket Designation DIMM2
Installed Size Not Installed
Enabled Size Not Installed
[ System Slots / PCI1 ]
System Slot Properties:
Slot Designation PCI1
Type PCI
Usage Empty
Data Bus Width 32-bit
Length Long
[ System Slots / PCI2 ]
System Slot Properties:
Slot Designation PCI2
Type PCI
Usage In Use
Data Bus Width 32-bit
Length Long
[ System Slots / PCI3 ]
System Slot Properties:
Slot Designation PCI3
Type PCI
Usage Empty
Data Bus Width 32-bit
Length Long
[ System Slots / PCI4 ]
System Slot Properties:
Slot Designation PCI4
Type PCI
Usage Empty
Data Bus Width 32-bit
Length Long
[ System Slots / PCI5 ]
System Slot Properties:
Slot Designation PCI5
Type PCI
Usage Empty
Data Bus Width 32-bit
Length Long
[ System Slots / PCI6 ]
System Slot Properties:
Slot Designation PCI6
Type PCI
Usage Empty
Data Bus Width 32-bit
Length Long
[ System Slots / AGP ]
System Slot Properties:
Slot Designation AGP
Type PCI
Usage Empty
Data Bus Width 32-bit
Length Long
[ System Slots / CNR ]
System Slot Properties:
Slot Designation CNR
Type PCI
Usage Empty
Data Bus Width 32-bit
Length Long
[ Port Connectors / Def ]
Port Connector Properties:
Port Type SSA SCSI
Internal Reference Designator USB
Internal Connector Type Mini-Centronics
External Reference Designator Def
External Connector Type DB-25 pin male
--------[ Sensor ]------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sensor Properties:
Sensor Type Winbond W83627HF
Sensor Access ISA 290h
Temperatures:
Motherboard 24 °C (75 °F)
CPU 20 °C (68 °F)
Cooling Fans:
CPU 2596 RPM
Voltage Values:
CPU Core 1.49 V
CPU Aux 1.82 V
+3.3 V 3.26 V
+5 V 5.19 V
+12 V 11.98 V
-12 V -12.36 V
-5 V -5.25 V
+5 V Standby 5.04 V
VBAT Battery 3.09 V
Debug Info 5D 72 CC C1 C5 1F 31 18 FF FF 41 64 (01)
--------[ CPU ]---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
CPU Properties:
CPU Type Intel Celeron 4A, 2400 MHz (6 x 400)
CPU Alias Northwood-128
CPU Stepping D1
Original Clock 2400 MHz
L1 Trace Cache 12K Instructions
L1 Data Cache 8 KB
L2 Cache 128 KB (On-Die, ATC, Full-Speed)
CPU Physical Info:
Package Type 478 Pin uPGA
Package Size 3.50 cm x 3.50 cm
Transistors 55 million
Process Technology 6M, 0.13 um, CMOS, Cu, Low-K
Die Size 131 mm2
Core Voltage 1.475 - 1.55 V
I/O Voltage 1.475 - 1.55 V
Typical Power 38.7 - 82 W (depending on clock speed)
Maximum Power 49 - 103 W (depending on clock speed)
CPU Manufacturer:
Company Name Intel Corporation
Product Information http://www.intel.com/products/browse/processor.htm
CPU Utilization:
CPU #1 100 %
--------[ CPUID ]-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
CPUID Properties:
CPUID Manufacturer GenuineIntel
CPUID CPU Name Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.40GHz
CPUID Revision 0F29h
IA Brand ID 0Ah (Intel Celeron 4)
Platform ID 0Fh (Socket 478)
IA CPU Serial Number Unknown
Instruction Set:
AMD 3DNow! Not Supported
AMD 3DNow! Professional Not Supported
AMD Enhanced 3DNow! Not Supported
AMD Extended MMX Not Supported
AMD64 Not Supported
Cyrix Extended MMX Not Supported
IA-64 Not Supported
IA MMX Supported
IA SSE Supported
IA SSE 2 Supported
IA SSE 3 Not Supported
CLFLUSH Instruction Supported
CMPXCHG8B Instruction Supported
CMPXCHG16B Instruction Not Supported
Conditional Move Instruction Supported
FEMMS Instruction Not Supported
MONITOR / MWAIT Instruction Not Supported
CPUID Features:
36-bit Page Size Extension Supported
Advanced Cryptography Engine Not Supported
Alternate Instruction Set Not Supported
Automatic Clock Control Supported
CPL Qualified Debug Store Not Supported
Debug Trace Store Supported
Debugging Extension Supported
Enhanced SpeedStep Technology Not Supported
Fast Save & Restore Supported
Fast System Call Supported
Hyper-Threading Technology Not Supported
L1 Context ID Supported
Local APIC On Chip Supported
LongRun Not Supported
LongRun Table Interface Not Supported
Machine-Check Architecture Supported
Machine-Check Exception Supported
Memory Type Range Registers Supported
Model Specific Registers Supported
No-Execute Page Protection Not Supported
Page Attribute Table Supported
Page Global Extension Supported
Page Size Extension Supported
Pending Break Event Supported
Physical Address Extension Supported
Processor Duty Cycle Control Supported
Processor Serial Number Not Supported
Random Number Generator Not Supported
Self-Snoop Supported
Thermal Monitor Supported
Thermal Monitor 2 Not Supported
Time Stamp Counter Supported
Virtual Mode Extension Supported
CPUID Registers:
CPUID 00000000 00000002-756E6547-6C65746E-49656E69
CPUID 00000001 00000F29-0001080A-00004400-BFEBFBFF
CPUID 00000002 665B5101-00000000-00000000-003B7040
CPUID 80000000 80000004-00000000-00000000-00000000
CPUID 80000001 00000000-00000000-00000000-00000000
CPUID 80000002 20202020-20202020-20202020-20202020
CPUID 80000003 65746E49-2952286C-6C654320-6E6F7265
CPUID 80000004 20295228-20555043-30342E32-007A4847
MSR 00000017 000A-0000-0000-0000
MSR 0000002C 0000-0000-1810-0018
--------[ Motherboard ]-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Motherboard Properties:
Motherboard ID 62-5900-001169-00101111-040201-I845E$16566E00A6566IMS V5.9 090103
Motherboard Name MSI 845E Max (MS-6566E)
Front Side Bus Properties:
Bus Type Intel NetBurst
Bus Width 64-bit
Real Clock 100 MHz (QDR)
Effective Clock 400 MHz
Bandwidth 3200 MB/s
Memory Bus Properties:
Bus Type DDR SDRAM
Bus Width 64-bit
Real Clock 133 MHz (DDR)
Effective Clock 267 MHz
Bandwidth 2133 MB/s
Chipset Bus Properties:
Bus Type Intel Hub Interface
Bus Width 8-bit
Real Clock 67 MHz (QDR)
Effective Clock 267 MHz
Bandwidth 267 MB/s
Motherboard Physical Info:
CPU Sockets/Slots 1
Expansion Slots 6 PCI, 1 AGP, 1 CNR
RAM Slots 2 DIMM
Form Factor ATX
Motherboard Size 200 mm x 300 mm
Motherboard Chipset i845E
Extra Features Fuzzy Logic 4
Motherboard Manufacturer:
Company Name Micro-Star International
Product Information http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_list.php
BIOS Download http://www.msi.com.tw/program/support/bios/bos/spt_bos_list.php
--------[ Memory ]------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Physical Memory:
Total 127 MB
Used 75 MB
Free 51 MB
Utilization 59 %
Swap Space:
Total 307 MB
Used 144 MB
Free 163 MB
Utilization 47 %
Virtual Memory:
Total 435 MB
Used 220 MB
Free 215 MB
Utilization 51 %
Problems & Suggestions:
Suggestion Install more system memory to improve applications performance.
--------[ SPD ]---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[ 256 MB PC2100 DDR SDRAM ]
Memory Module Properties:
Serial Number 00303430h
Module Size 256 MB (1 rows, 4 banks)
Module Type Unbuffered
Memory Type DDR SDRAM
Memory Speed PC2100 (133 MHz)
Module Width 64 bit
Module Voltage SSTL 2.5
Error Detection Method None
Refresh Rate Normal (15.625 us), Self-Refresh
Highest CAS Latency 2.5 (7.5 ns @ 133 MHz)
2nd Highest CAS Latency 2.0 (10.0 ns @ 100 MHz)
Memory Module Features:
Early RAS# Precharge Not Supported
Auto-Precharge Not Supported
Precharge All Not Supported
Write1/Read Burst Not Supported
Buffered Address/Control Inputs Not Supported
Registered Address/Control Inputs Not Supported
On-Card PLL (Clock) Not Supported
Buffered DQMB Inputs Not Supported
Registered DQMB Inputs Not Supported
Differential Clock Input Supported
Redundant Row Address Not Supported
--------[ Chipset ]-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Chipset Properties:
Motherboard Chipset Intel Brookdale i845E
In-Order Queue Depth 12
CAS Latency 2.5T
RAS To CAS Delay 3T
RAS Precharge 3T
RAS Active Time 6T
AC'97 Audio Controller:
Audio Controller Type Intel 82801DB(M) ICH4
Codec Name Avance Logic ALC655/ALC850
Codec ID 414C4760h
Memory Slots:
DRAM Slot #1 512 MB (PC2100 DDR SDRAM)
AGP Properties:
AGP Version 2.00
AGP Status Enabled
AGP Aperture Size 64 MB
Supported AGP Speeds 1x, 2x, 4x
Current AGP Speed 4x
Fast-Write Supported, Enabled
Side Band Addressing Supported, Enabled
Chipset Manufacturer:
Company Name Intel Corporation
Product Information http://www.intel.com/products/browse/chipsets.htm
Driver Download http://support.intel.com/support/chipsets/index.htm
Problems & Suggestions:
Problem AGP aperture size is more than half of the system memory size. This may cause performance penalty.
--------[ BIOS ]--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
BIOS Properties:
BIOS Type AMI
System BIOS Date 09/01/03
Video BIOS Date 08/18/03
BIOS Manufacturer:
Company Name American Megatrends Inc.
Product Information http://www.ami.com/amibios

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