2 iPods, none of them are working!!

1.- I have the iPod photo 30GB for a year now and it's been working perfectly good till 4 days ago. I got the "sad iPod icon" and tried everything possible to get it back. Resetting, restoring, removing iTunes, getting them back (lastest version), but none of the solutions the apple support service tell to do is working. I guess i have to take it to the store on the weekend and wait the long long line they use to have every single day ( and if you're lucky, you get the problem solved the same day)
2.- I also have the iPod video 30GB, which was also working till 3 days ago. This case comes complicated because it was working, then stopped working, and when "came to life", all the music and videos had dissapeared. I plugged to my laptop to update the songs, etc, but the iTunes does not even read the Ipod ( already checked the computer and it seems the device works properly), so i can't update and have the music library back to the iPod.
Is anybody out there who can help or give some intelligent advise??)) besides telling me to get both of the iPods to the store?>> THANKS

I am awaiting a SECOND replacement 30gig video ipod. The old one and the replacement have crashed and are non responsive after updating to the latest i tunes/ipod updates both showed a greyed out ! and a file plus www.ipod/support. A very helpful call cntre guy in India spent 1 hour trying to resolve replacement ipod error but sadly it has to go bacvk for replacement.

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