2 Leopard questions

Hey, I have 2 Leopard questions...
1. How does Time Machine restore deleted files when they are cleaned off your computer. Are the files not fully deleted off the HD?
2. When Leopard comes out, will I be able to migrate all my settings/files over to Leopard from Tiger?
Thanks a lot!

Asking about an OS that isn't out, complete, still in development, and... anyone that actually knows is under NDA.
Right now some features are probably just bullet points in a iWork presentation.

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Mac OS 10.6 Snow Leopard question

Hello,
I just preordered Snow Leopard from Amazon for my Early 2008 white MacBook, I know the system is not released yet but I'd like to ask a general question about Mac operating systems.
Once I get Snow Leopard, do you recommend me to update my current 10.5.8 Leopard OS or do you recommend me to do a erase and install to my actual OS?
I'm asking this because I didn't have a Mac yet when the update from Tiger to Leopard was made, and I'd like to know what did you guys do back then.
I know in Windows world an update like this is unthinkable, it makes the operating system inestable, full of useless files and so on. Does this happen on Mac too, or is the upgrade easy, smooth and recommendable?
Thanks for your answers,
Mauri

UndergroundRiver:
I plan to erase and install when upgrading as I come from the Windows world and just can't understand the concept of not erasing and installing.
Comparisons between Windows Operating Systems/machines and Macs and OS X are not necessarily apt. Even though we may not know exact details about Snow Leopard, we do know that Mac OS X offers several installation options, and the OS is designed to work within those parameters. In other words, an erase and install may not be appropriate or necessary under every condition.
In terms of backing up, one is well advised to maintain an up-to-date and reliable backup at all times, of course. However, this is even more critical whenever one contemplates undertaking any major procedure, such as installation of the OS. If you would like specific suggestions about backing up, please do ask. You don't have to know where all the files are on your HDD. There are several excellent utilities that will do the work for you.
cornelius

MacBook with Leopard question...

Hi Everyone,
I am considering buying a Macbook this week. The question is if I buy it right now will it come with Leopard and iLife08 pre-installed considering that Leopard launch is just round the corner or will I not be eligible for it. I cannot wait to buy it and must buy it this week.
If for some reason it does not have leopard installed then what do you suggest I do. I am in India where Apple support is very limited.
Thanks for your responses in advance.

Don't know the policy in India. In the US:
http://blogs.pcworld.com/staffblog/archives/005700.html
If you've bought a Mac in the past two weeks--you're in luck. Apple says you're eligible to get a copy of Leopard for a $9.95 shipping and handling fee. Ditto if you buy a Mac system today. According to Brian Croll, senior director of Mac OS X product marketing, Apple will be pushed onto PCs as soon as possible. However, if for some reason your system doesn't have it preinstalled, you'll either get the Leopard DVD dropped into the box, or you'll be able to order it for the same shipping and handling fee as users who already bought their Mac this month.
http://www.apple.com/macosx/uptodate/
Apple would like to give you the opportunity to upgrade to Mac OS X v10.5 Leopard. * Product Availability: October 26, 2007
The program ends on December 29, 2007. Your order must be postmarked or faxed by January 4, 2008, so order your upgrade now.
Hardware Up-To-Date
Customers who purchase a qualifying new Macintosh computer on or after October 1, 2007 that does not have Mac OS X v10.5 Leopard included can upgrade to Leopard.

Leopard questions - Permissions and "Custom Access"

I just (reluctantly) upgraded to Leopard (only because I wanted to install the iLife 09 which requires 10.5.6), and then the Permissions fun started. Install went fine and so did the updates. Then I ran Disk Warrior (new directory, repair permissions, check all files/folders).
I tried to read all the posts I could find, but none dealt with these particular messages, so I thought I'd ask just to make sure....
2. I have hundreds of "ACL found but not expected", but all of mine are on:
"System/Library/User Template/" and then there seems to be every language listed.
2. There are dozens of "permissions differ on" and they all relate to Front Row (should be -rw-r-r, they are lrw-r-r). I haven't even used Front Row....
Can I safely ignore all of those?
And, while I'm asking questions:
Is the "You have custom access" showing in any Get Info window of any application a Leopard "feature" or what does it mean? When I first checked, I found that several apps (part of OS or third party) did not have me, the admin, with "read & write" access. Some had "read only" and some "no access", but all of them showed the custom access. I went through all the apps and made them "read & write", but the custom access remains. These are apps I use quite often such as Graphic Converter.
Can I ignore the "custom access" or do I need to do something about it?

2. There are dozens of "permissions differ on" and they all relate to Front Row (should be -rw-r-r, they are lrw-r-r). I haven't even used Front Row....
Ignore per Mac OS X 10.5- Disk Utility's Repair Disk Permissions messages that you can safely ignore. They are innocuous and will recur each time you repair permissions.
1. I have hundreds of "ACL found but not expected", but all of mine are on:
"System/Library/User Template/" and then there seems to be every language listed.
These are the result of upgrading instead of doing a fresh install of Leopard. They are basically harmless. Such errors in your Home folder can be repaired using the Reset Password selection from the Utilities menu after booting from the Leopard installer DVD. Check the bottom option to Reset ACLs and click the button. Do not make any other selections. This only affects ACLs in the Home folder. To fix all such items means you have to perform an Archive and Install of Leopard then run the 10.5.8 Combo Updater. If you don't want to do all this then just ignore the issue.
The Custom Access is the result of the custom ACLs and simply means you've upgraded from Tiger which did not support ACLs while Leopard does.
In fact there are literally thousands of topics and replies on these two topics throughout the Leopard forums that deal specifically with these particular messages which is why Apple issued the above linked tech note.

Time Machine & Snow Leopard Question

I am going to be doing a clean install of Snow Leopard and using my Time Machine backup to restore my data. The question is, after SL is installed and I have it working as intended, will it happily continue to back up to my current Leopard 10.5.8 Time Machine volume, or will it insist on erasing the volume and starting fresh again?
I don't want to lose about 10 months of backups, if SL is going to create a brand new TM archive. Perhaps those brave people who have installed SL could confirm what happens...
Many thanks
Sam.

There's nothing in the documentation about any significant changes to TM, with the single exception that initial backups will be faster. In fact, all the support articles in the Snow Leopard support area are the old Leopard articles: http://www.apple.com/support/snowleopard/
There have also been no reports of anything remotely like this from any of the Beta testers or preview articles; there's nothing about it in the SL installation guide: http://manuals.info.apple.com/enUS/Snow_Leopard_InstallationInstructions.pdf
And, of course, it would not be like Apple to intentionally blow away your backups with no warning whatsoever.
But, if you do an Erase and Install (there is no "clean install") for some reason, then TM will probably back up all your data again, just as it does under Leopard. If your TM disk isn't at least twice as large as the data it's backing-up, the backup will fail and you will have to erase the TM disk.

Safari 5.1 - iTunes 10.4 - Snow Leopard Question!

Hi Everyone!
I just have a few quick questions, since I am still a Snow Leopard user because my IT department recommends not to upgrade to Lion because of how some of the needed software might not be supported. I was fine with that, and am still happy with Snow Leopard, as it does everything that I want so fast, and I'm so used to my multi-touch settings the way they are. I just noticed that with my last software update, my computer installed Safari 5.1 and iTunes 10.4. However, when looking online, it looked like these two new software updates were made for the next operating system Lion. Now, I am assuming that the computer probably installed versions of the software that were made for Snow Leopard, but since they have been released for Lion, is there any chance that this new software (that is preferenced toward Lion users) will slow down my computer with Snow Leopard? I'm thinking the answer is no but I just want to check with what you all have seen (and my new versions of Safari and iTunes are seemingly just as fast as before).
Also, since I am waiting to install Lion until IT gives it a go (which could be a long time from now), I have the Lion download (ready to download) as a free download. If I wait too long, will Apple not allow me to download Lion for free.
Any answers are greatly appreciated. Thank you!

iTunes 10.4 and Safari 5.1 contain more than 'just' the OSX Lion-release but stability and security improvements as well.
For example, here is http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1070 what the Safari 5.1 contains.
In here http://www.apple.com/macosx/uptodate/ I can't find an "end-date" for the download of the Lion installer.
Nonetheless, personaly I would download the Lion installer and then copy it (from your Apllications folder) to a secure place (backup harddisk, external hardisk etc.).
When your IT gives it a go you can then use te Lion installer from inside the Applications folder, but I would also say to make a bootable clone of your current OSX Snow Leopard before starting the Lion installation.
Stefan

Tiger to Leopard Questions

Hello everyone . This is my first time posting on these boards, so I hope I'm not asking anything that has been answered a thousand times.
I bought my Macbook before Leopard was released, so the boot-up discs that came with it are for Tiger. My girlfriend got a Macbook and it came with Leopard, as well as the boot-up discs. Since this is my first Macbook, I made quite a few ignorant mistakes that I would never repeat now, and I would like to erase everything off of the hard-drive and have my MB back to factory settings.
My question is, can I use the Leopard boot-up discs that came with my girlfriend's MB to restore and install Leopard onto my machine? Also, what will updating software be like since it is now up to 10.5.6?
Thanks in advance for all of your help

My question is, can I use the Leopard boot-up discs that came with my girlfriend's MB to restore and install Leopard onto my machine?
No. Install DVDs that are shipped with Macs will work on only the model they ship with. You need to buy a retail Leopard DVD.
Also, what will updating software be like since it is now up to 10.5.6?
New retail Leopard DVDs are 10.5.6, but there are still some updates. Software Update ( menu) will find all the needed updates. Even with an older retail Leopard DVD, there is a combo update that will get it to 10.5.6 in one step.

Upgrading From Tiger to Snow Leopard Questions

I might upgrade my Mac OS X Tiger 10.4 on my iMac to Snow soon and was wondering if there was a way I could have Snow be on an external drive. I was at my local Apple Specialist store and one of the employees hooked up an external HDD to my computer with I think either Snow or Lion on it. Don't know which. My question is, would it be possible to run Snow on an External HDD while also still having Tiger on my iMac? I like Tiger, and would like to continue using it, but the person told me it would be good to upgrade since my OS is older. I would like to continue using Tiger but at the same time want to use Snow too. So would it be possible to run Snow Leopard on an external HDD while keeping all my files/etc on my Tiger?

If we keep this strictly as a theoretical discussion, the answer is "yes" or "maybe". But I need to explain some context or qualification on that answer in the way I have my system set up.
I set up my system so my home dir is always on its own volume. The boot volume is always separate. That way I can switch to any boot volume and continue to use my same home dir. So if I upgrade my system I can always fall back on the older system or use a backup of the current system if it fails in some way.
Now here's where I qualify that answer. I always recommend never upgrading a system without having backups to fall back on. So, say for example, I go from 10.6.5 to 10.6.6 I always can just boot from my 10.6.5 boot drive for comparison purposes and to revert to it if the update is total disaster. In all cases I am still using my same home dir because it is on a different drive (and of course it has backups too). But these kind of updates are all within the same version of "cat", 10.6.x in this case (all Snow Leopard updates). So that is why I answer "yes".
Going from one "cat" to another is why I say "maybe". So if I update 10.5 to 10.6, or 10.6 to 10.7 IMO, all bets are off. There's no way to know for sure except by trying (which is no big deal since I always have backups). This is due to possible file system changes, finder changes, and who knows what else changes. Hence, "maybe".
If you want to keep two systems with your home dir on those respective systems, of course you can always do that. It's your choice. But then keeping them in sync is a pain. So for this kind of setup it's probably simpler to just bite the bullet and upgrade and use only a single OS.

Snow Leopard Question - No Forum for it so posting here?

I am happy and excited for Snow Leopard. I know the upgrade will be $29 for all Leopard users. Usually for all my apps inluding the operating system, I would always buy the full product, so if I had Aperture 1.0 I would sell it and buy the full version of Aperture 2.0. My question is: Will Snow Leopard be sold as a standalone full OS (not just an upgrade?).
Is the upgrade just the same as the full software when installing, it just detects if you have the previous software and installs as if it were the full? Or does it just "patch" things depending on what's different from previous versions? How do they work does anyone know? It's all about doing clean installs and starting fresh!

We don't know. Speculation about future product is forbidden here. We can only discuss what is publicly available. For such information see Snow Leopard.

Leopard Question: Classic Support?

Hello!
I don't know if this is the right place to post this, but I have a question about Leopard. Will it support Classic on PowerPC Macs? I'm currently running a few Classic apps on my PowerBook G4. I checked the website but it says nothing about Classic. If it doesn't, how can I remove Classic & all of my Classic apps in order to free up that disk space? I do have a copy of Basillisk II I could use in order to run my few classsic apps if I have to.
Thanks!
Nate

Alas, my PowerBook doesn't support OS9 booting. I bought the last PowerBook revision they made (which is nice because mine is newer, but unfortunately no OS9 booting for me). After looking through my Classic apps there's only one I really need, so I've notified the company & see if they'll carbonize it & port it to OS X. They also have a PC version of it which I can use for now. I've just decided to give Classic the boot completely (not even mess with Basillisk on my Mac as I've used it on Windows & rather not go that route). Thanks for the suggestion!

Clean reinstall of Snow Leopard questions

Having major issues with IPHOTO and may have to reinstall Snow. I originally had Leopard and this is a Snow upgrade. A few questions, (1)am I able to back up the OS to another drive WITHOUT installing IPHOTO? HOW?- (2)if so, when I reinstall the OS do I have to install Leopard and then the Snow upgrade or just the Snow upgrade? Will zero out the hard drive and reinstall - want to make sure the back up of email, documents, address book, etc will be allowed so important to know if I have to install Leopard first. Hate to find out that the files won't install because of a version or OS issue.
Is it possible that the install disc may have a repair function??

Hello z:
I will attempt to answer your questions:
(1)am I able to back up the OS to another drive WITHOUT installing IPHOTO? HOW?-
Yes. Use either Time Machine or make a bootable clone (SuperDuper or similar). However, since I do not know what problem you have with iPhoto, I do not know exactly where you are.
(2)if so, when I reinstall the OS do I have to install Leopard and then the Snow upgrade or just the Snow upgrade? Will zero out the hard drive and reinstall - want to make sure the back up of email, documents, address book, etc will be allowed so important to know if I have to install Leopard first. Hate to find out that the files won't install because of a version or OS issue.
You do not have to install OS X 10.5. I would strongly suggest that (after backing up), you reinstall OS X 10.6 over your existing installation (upgrade). IMHO, an erase and install (there is no clean install) should be reserved for disasters. Too many bad things can happen.
Is it possible that the install disc may have a repair function??
Yes, but I have not looked so I cannot really know.
Also IMHO, I think I would try to fix the iPhoto problem. Jumping to an erase and install is probably not necessary. There are excellent people that post in the iPhoto forum if you want to go that way.
Barry

Install Leopard question, and How much RAM should I install on my G5?

I recently bought a G5 Power Mac (11,2) 2.3 ghz, with 2 GB Ram. It has 10.4 installed and the installation disks for 10.4.
I am interested in installing Leopard (I have a drop-in DVD from a different computer), but think it would be wise to first partition the HD so that I can also run 10.4 and Classic from time to time. What's the best way for me to go about this? I haven't put anything on the machine, so there is nothing to back up. After I have the systems installed, then I was going to migrate from my powerbook.
I wonder whether I should upgrade the RAM first. It has 1 GIG each in two slots, so there's plenty of capacity.
Also, the G5 has no airport card installed. Can I set up sharing with my powerbook, via firewire, in a way that I can use the powerbook's wifi signal on the G5? Is this possible with 10.4, 10.5, or both?

Hi maui_arbor, and a warm welcome to the forums!
I'd upgrade to at least 4GB for Leopard, or more...
http://eshop.macsales.com/MyOWC/Upgrades.cfm?sort=pop&model=234&type=Memory&TI=2 628&shoupgrds=Show+Upgrades
I am interested in installing Leopard (I have a drop-in DVD from a different computer), but think it would be wise to first partition the HD so that I can also run 10.4 and Classic from time to time. What's the best way for me to go about this?
First, are you sure that Disc will work on a G5? Does it boot from it?
Secondly, I'd really not partition for OSX unless it's a GB HD or larger, I'd put a second HD in it for Leopard.
Also, the G5 has no airport card installed. Can I set up sharing with my powerbook, via firewire, in a way that I can use the powerbook's wifi signal on the G5? Is this possible with 10.4, 10.5, or both?
Yes, Internet Sharing via FW or Ethernet. Another option...
http://eshop.macsales.com/search/usb+wifi

Upgrading from 10.4.11 to Snow Leopard - Questions needing answers..

Hello,
I am currently running Tiger, 10.4.11 on my MacBook and want to get it up to current Snow Leopard. My laptop is about 4 years old now and need to know if I can upgrade it.
Secondly I tried to install it with the Leopard system software I received with with my Mac Pro and when I started the install it hang for about 30 seconds and then I got an error message to inform me I could not install that version of OSX on my computer. Did this happen because I was trying to install it with a disc that came with another mac or simply it isn't possible to upgrade anymore? I would be surprised if the laptop is no longer upgradable. Is the problem memory?
Do I need to buy the Leopard software and will it work.
Look forward your replies.
Cheers
Sophia

Did this happen because I was trying to install it with a disc that came with another mac
Yes.
Do I need to buy the Leopard software and will it work.
Check the OS's system requirements prior to purchasing it.
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Migrating Powerbook to Mac Book Pro - Firewire & Leopard questions

1) I have a clone (CCClone) of the PB hard disk. Can I connect this to the MBP instead of the PB started in target mode for migrating my data, preferences etc? (The PB is reluctant to restart, so I avoid it as much as possible).
2) The PB is still on Tiger (10.4.9). Will there be an issue copying across preferences, mail, address book etc data? Should I first upgrade the PB to Leopard? If so, can I use the Leopard installation DVD that will come with the new machine?
Thanks.
AK
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That's OK. I hope you get it sorted. I mounted my Firewire backup disk on the new MBP, let it run the migration assistant, and it stalled - complaining that it could not copy some file. I created my userid myself and dragged over, folder by folder, the contents of my old account. I was selective in, for example, preferences and application support stuff, 'cos there were a lot of relics of applications that had been tried and discarded.
The only thing I had no success with - I probably missed a file somewhere - was my network locations. Mail worked a charm - on all six mail accounts. I haven't got PGP mail going yet, but I think the new version isn't ready. Safari still provides my name and password on login pages. No Address Book issues at all. iCal didn't pick up the calendars I had brought over, so I dropped them on it one at a time and that is now OK.
After 3 days I think I have it pretty well under control, with only half-a-dozen things left on the migration todo list.
AK

PSE6 for the Mac and a Snow Leopard question.....

Hi- I am beta testing Snow Leopard and would like to test my PSE6 app in Snow Leopard but I am having an issue with what I need to copy over from the working version in Leopard over to Snow Leopard. Just dragging the folder is not enough since I get a message saying something like it's not authorized- sorry I can't remember the exact wording but I am hoping someone can tell me what files I need to copy over to SL. Thanks! Judy

For any time, any version of OS X you must totally reinstall PSE rather than moving it. The PSE installer puts things in far too many locations for the migration assistant to find them all and many are at a system level where only Root could move them. Far easier just to run the installer again.

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