2 round-tripping questions

I just went into my external editor (photoshop elements) and edited a photo that I had exported into PSE from within aperture. I have 2 questions.
1. I have no clue how to make that edited version appear in aperture now. I have tried saving it under three different names. I have turned off the external editor. How do you get back to aperture and see the newly edited photo? There must be something easy I am missing.
2. Can I run my external editor by itself and import a photo from my aperture library without turning on aperture? Or must I always export the photo out of aperture and into the external editor?
Thanks so much in advance.
p.s. I even listened to the "round-tripping" podcast on Inside Aperture. Made it sound so easy.

Keep in mind every time you open an image with the
external editor a new master is created (psd or tiff)
and will increase the size of your Library.
-- or rather, every time you open a new image, or make any Aperture adjustments to an externally-edited image.
If you edit a file in an external editor and save it, and then select it again later and again choose Open with External Editor, as long as you haven't adjusted it meanwhile in Aperture, the same version will be sent rather than a new one being created. This puts a premium on organizing your workflow so that external editing is normally the last thing you do to an image, though you're not limited to that if you need to work the other way.

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ok, here's the point.
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Another question - is it a good idea to start a separate project for system design and just import/copy the required pieces from a higher-level design model? Or can we get away with combining all stages in one project file?
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ok, here's the point.
We work with the problem domain and develop the
analysis model. The analyst at this stage doesn't
concern himself with the implementation details, some
low-level code patterns and the programming language
(well, let's forget for now about C's multiple
inheritance and Java's workaround for it). So, when
most of the analysis work is done, we end up with
major classes (populated only with some basic
attribs & behaviour; then, we have a high-level
representation of business processes and corresponding
activity diagrams. Of course, this model will be
refined at a later stage, but for now it will do.
Say, we have the model in a project. Now we move to
the design level. More and more details are added to
the model, sequence/collaboration diagrams are added,
we concern ourselves much more with the detailed class
behaviour.
And here's the first question. Should we leave the
original high-level diagrams intact and produce
separate detailed ones? Generally, they represent the
same process, but at a more detailed level. What about
duplication of diagrams? Or should we elaborate the
existing ones (but then we lose the clear and simple
bird-eye view of the problem domain).Depends on whether you are concerned about the abstract methodology or more concerned about the implementation methodology.
For full process control, on a large project, you will have a architecture design which will always reflect the target system but has little to do with the implementation design. If the architecture needs to change it means something was "wrong" with it (which could come about due to a change order or a refinement of the specification of the system.) There might be other associated high level documents which occupy the same level - such as the project plan. This would typically be the project initiation phase which occurs before software design starts.
Of course you would keep all of the documents. Just as naturally each version would be checked into the version control system.
>
After that, we make a decision to implement the system
as a set of EJB's. So, we've switch to component
modeling at system design. UML model for these
components differs quite a lot from a traditional one,
so it can be quite painful to refactor the existing
interaction diagrams. But do we need to do it? I agree
that having <<EJBImplementation>>, <<EJBRealization>>
, etc stereotypes displayed in the analysis model is
not a nice solution.I doubt that any reasonable system is going to make the decision to use J2EE in the system design process. That is always going to be a architecture or requirements decision (even if it is implicit.) If not then it suggests that there are probably at least three levels to the design process and the J2EE decision is in the top most layer (maybe there is a "high" and "low" level architecture process.) And architecture design must describe why J2EE was choosen and what if any alternatives were considered.
Again this document will be retained (and checked into version control.)
>
Another question - is it a good idea to start a
separate project for system design and just
import/copy the required pieces from a higher-level
design model? Or can we get away with combining all
stages in one project file?
In the abstract yes.
Why? Because in an ideal design environment, a "high" (system) level design is created by a small very experienced set of developers. Then it is handed off to many junior developers for "low" (detailed) design. That doesn't work if you are using the "same" design. This is only somewhat mitigated by design tools that somewhat support this process (or least last time I checked they didn't support it very well.)
Keep in mind that this is the ideal, and it is unlikely (probability wise) that you are working at or with a company where doing this is feasible much less encouraged.
Please, read all of the above in the light of
round-trip engineering. So, finishing after analysis
stage, is not an option, but to lead the whole project
to as low level as implementation details.
Round trip. You start with the documents that have been checked in. You branch the version control tree or just up the version numbers of the docs (depending on how "deliverables" are being handled) and start over.

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Also does it not bother anyone that there is no sound in Color? I know directors who will be appalled by this as they will, quite rightly, say that they can't judge a mute colour grade.
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What I've found is that after
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Here's the deal...
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Color does render out the clip, but appends the clip name.
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And I did confirm my requirements with an Adobe sales rep before we upgraded to TCS5. I specifically identified this issue to him as part of TCS4. He was surprised that a premium suite like TCS would not offer an option like this. Especially since ELS did include it. He promised to look into it and get back to me. He followed up with email questions about versions of my softwere, but the discussion went quiet and I received no more replies to my inquires.
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5
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tring
=110&_portletmode=&_cache=0&_pageid=47&_mode=3 HTTP/1.1" 302 5
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bytes)
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implications on the server. Watching the log files I see no ill
effects
reported and the page looks OK. We would like advice from
yourselves.
I have noticed some strange effects with Opera but testing has
been by no means
intensive. I've tried two points in the calling cycle:
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tring
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For - this is a definite performance boost (less round trips/less
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FCP quits when making round trip to motion

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When I then restart FCP, I can import the saved motion project, but as soon as I try to play it in the viewer, or I drop it in the timeline, FCP quits again...
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You'd be answering your own question.
The workflow for colorgrade has evolved over the last twenty or so years (in video) and over the last better part of a century in film as the final step, after everything was LOCKED. Its kind of why this application was first named "Final Touch".... well, it was sort of a clever reference to "Final Cut"... but... we know how that worked out.
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jPo

Unicode support when round-tripping to XML

Hi all,
Last week, I posted a question on round-tripping the symbol font and got no replies...:-) I'm thinking the question was entirely too generic, so I'd like to now add a little detail of what it appears are my primary options as well as current issues.
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o Trying to enter it directly somehow into the text, either directly or as the value of a user variable, discussed below.
o Creating an element called "symbol" that is set in the EDD to always display as a Symbol font.
This one doesn't make it to the XML -- which complains about the document containing unsupported characters.
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entity "bgr" is fm char 0x62 in "FmSymbol";
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Shelley,
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