2 Step Verification not possible?

Someone has my Birthday and Email address and is downloading on my account from China. They are able to change my password in the middle of the night while I'm asleep and get what they will (so far it's free childrens apps but what's next?)  I have changed my password 19 times this year.
The 2 step verification will not work because I won't be able to set it up because of the waiting period involved. What now?

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