2-up saddle stitch, booklet feature, crop marks

Hi.
I'd like to make two flyers on one 8.5 x 11 size of paper.
I have made the flyer 5.5x8.5.
I put a .125 bleed alllll around so the size is actually 5.75x8.75 of the flyers.
So I used the booklet feature & I think I have a problem. The two flyers are next to each other. The bleeds look fine on the outter edges where the paper will be cut against the crop marks. I am having problems within the center between the two. They are overlapping each other & according to the crop mark (which I believe is placed accurate), a tiny part of the flyer on the right will go on to the left flyer. Am I supposed to do something different with sizing?
Before I started the booklet. I made 4 pages in the size of 5.75x8.75. (there is a front & back to the flyer).
Then I did the saddle stitch 2 - up. I basically left most of the defaults there except unchecking everything but crop marks.
Please help me understand.
Thank you in advance!

Jules,
When you use bleed the object is to allow enough space so that misalignment on the cutter will still give you acceptable results. This means that you need to separate the two pages slightly and trim the inside edge of both, along with all of the outside edges, rather than trying to get away with splitting them apart right where they join in a single cut (that can work for non-bleed layouts, but is just too iffy for color to the edge).
There is no way you can put two 5.5 x 8.5 pages together on one 8.5 x 11 sheet if they bleed. Even if you didn't have a problem in the center (and you can butt them if you remove bleed from the inside edge, but as I said, don't try it that way, especially on a desktop printer), you'd have a problem on the outer edges where you run into the non-printing area on the printer. The preview doesn't show you that. :)
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