2 x AEBS and extended network

Hello,
I have 2 AEBS setup using the 5Ghz N network and roaming ( second AEBS is extending the wirelss network).
I works great, but If i allow wireless clients on the second AEBS (which extends an wirels network) it stops working after my iMac returns form standby or sleep mode.
After that, i am not able to connect wireless anymore, unless i reboot the extende AEBS.
For now i am okay, because i can live without the wireless clients.
Any suggestions ?
Message was edited by: MeijApple

To help make a comparision, I have a 4G Time Capsule as my "main" router in my network with a 4G AirPort Extreme configured in a roaming network. The connection between the modem and the TC is 1000 Mb/s, as well as, the connection between the TC & the AEBS. Both routers are also at firmware v7.6.3. The AirPort Utility is version 6.2.
What is the connection value in your case between your primary AEBS and the modem? Is it also 1000 Mb/s or is it 100 Mb/s?

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SOLUTION TO Time Capsule and extend wireless network using AEBS, Printers..

Hello GUYS
I find the solution: at least I have extended wireless using TC and old AEBS.
: well everybody have same problems to initialize second AEBS, and set it up.
OK follow this steps:
put next to each other TC (time capsule) and AEBS (airport extreme) -> switch AEBS off
If you followed installation TC correctly it should work without any problem.
SETING UP TC PART 1
pres in finder Command + Shift + U =then click Airport utility
set your TC with manual.
On piece of paper record Airport ID:
Click on TIME CAPSULE
I recommend change name not to use deffault long name for TC. Simply call it TC if you want. Set password.
In wireless. Write a name of your Network, keep it simple TC627 what ever. Write it down on paper. security WPA2 personal and password.
Update. and close utility
End of part 1
Part 2:
AEBS setup.
Switch AEBS on: No need to switch off TC
Press reset button for more than 5 sec. so everything is restore to factory settings.
-> in the bar top click wireless and select AEBS. You have to do this otherwise Airport utility will not recognise AEBS.
When you are done. Command shift U
Click airport utility. and manual setup.
-> write down the Airport ID.
Set up your AEBS, name something simple so you know what it is. Password and security.
Here do yourself favor use the same passwords as on TC and security.
NOW ->
click Wireless.
*Wireless network has to be same as on TC.*( it is on the paper)
Select Participate in wireless network
Radio mode b,g compatible or only N it is up to you.
I setup WPA2Personal again with the same password( same on TC)
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select Allow wireless clients
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switch off utility.
no go to right top and change airport back to TC.
Go to manual
Click Wireless:
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allow wireless clients: and write into WDS remotes AEBS ID, (it is on the paper).
and update.
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and you are extended.
You made it. Go to Utility Cmd,shift, U and you should be able to see both airports.
Now what you have to do is to take AEBS to different place.
Put it somewhere in second room. Go back to your computer. Leave it for couple of minutes. 10 -15 is ok.
to make sure your TC can find AEBS. If not TC will indicate by flashing green and orange. = >AEBS has to be closer.
correct is that TC has still green light.
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