2008 MacBook freezing only when battery is attached

My 2008 black MacBook freezes when the battery is attached. If it is removed and ran on only AC power that machine works just fine. I have two of the exact same MacBooks (black, 2008) and have tried swapping batteries. According to system profiler they both are just fine. It seems to happen even if the machine isnt moved. The freezing is a hard freeze, that is, i cannot move my mouse or type and everything is just still. I have heard that some kind of ribbon wire could be the problem and people have said that putting a piece of paper on/around it can temporarily solve the problem. I am unsure of how to do this and am not even totally sure if this is whats wrong. Does anyone know of anywhere i can find good instructions for this? Will apple fix the problem? for free?
I have tried reseting the PRAM and SMC, both do not work. I have also erased the hard drive and reinstalled a fresh copy of snow leopard (i lost installation disc 2 of my original OS X cds, so apple told me to buy a new copy...over the phone that is). At any rate, the installation worked just fine and nothing has been installed or modified since. I really would like to fix this ASAP because I intend to give it to my girlfriend for our anniversary in a few days.
Please let me know if you have any input
thanks
Brandon

First, try this:
1. Shut down your MB
2. Have ONLY the battery in it.
3. Power your MB up & immediately take it into Safe Mode (after the startup chime, hold down one of the Shift keys until the login screens shows up. Let go of Shift. Log in. Let it finish booting. At the Desktop, do a few ordinary things on your MB (not all programs will function in SafeMode though).
4. Report back here whether your MB freezes on battery-only power while it's in Safe Mode.
Second, download & install the iStat Menu utility.
After installing it, make notes of the MB's internal temperatures, particularly the 3 battery sensor temperatures when A) It's powered by only the adapter and then after a cooling down period, B) It's powered by only the battery. The Battery Temperature reading in iStat should show right around 85-90 degrees.
Here's a screenshot of my own iStat, with the mouse arrow pointing at my MB's current battery temperature:
Also, need some answers to these Q's:
1. What model is your MB?
Apple.com: "How to identify MacBook models"
EveryMac.com: "Lookup Mac Specs By Serial Number, Order, Model & EMC Number, Model ID"
2. What version of OSX are you running in your MB?
3. Did the frequency of the battery-only freezup problem develp slowly over time, freezing only every once in a while until now your MB freezes quite often, or did the problem just show up overnite -- yesterday, fine; today, freezing with only the battery in it?
4. Did you do anything major as far as changes to your MB are concerned, or did anything happen to it? (dropped, keyboard spill, etc)
This is an important one:
5. If you were to start your Macbook up in the morning on battery only after it being shut down all night, and the MB is being used normally, how long in minutes does it take, on average, for the first freezeup to occur?
6. When it is powered by battery only, and absolutely nothing has been done on it for quite a while after it's been turned on, & it's just sitting there with the screen open & the screensaver is running or the display is in sleep, does it freeze up?
7. Compare the temperatures of the bottom of your MB between 15-20 minutes of Power Adapter only use, and 15-20 minutes of Battery only use, with a cooling down period in between the two tests. Is there a huge difference in the two temperatures, or not much difference?
We'll get it.......
But I & other helpers who read your post just need more info from you before anyone can go any further with this.
Kevin Kendall

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3. Plugged the 80Gb into the ATA-33 DVD/Zip drive connector. No luck, same shutdown.
4. Adjusted the jumpers, neither "Cable Select" nor "Master" seems to have any effect.
5. The G4 starts up with NO DRIVE plugged in at all, and will stay on as long as I keep it on.
I've ruled out power supply (the G4 runs fine booting off the Leopard DVD).
I've ruled out the disc (fresh from the wrapper, and apparently it will work long enough to install Leopard on it).
I've ruled out the ATA bus is bad (it works fine to install Leopard on the 80Gb, so something must be happening).
My next step is to put Leopard on an external and try starting up on a USB drive. My guess is that it's going to start up fine, but we shall see. Any advice? Oh, please say yes, and let me know it is a dumb thing I have forgotten to do...
I'm at my wits end!

New update:
Heck, I've driven everyone away.
So I installed 10.4, that worked. Installed the 10.4.8 combo update, directly from Apple, in an attempt to get it back up to 10.4.11. Installed fine, but when it went to restart, it hung on the grey Apple with clock screen - for about 30 minutes and eventually I shut it down.
Weird, this is what happened last time. OK on 10.4, tried to update to 10.5 and it locks up, only slightly differently this time.
Then I remembered. This has a Newertech upgrade, and I reset PRAM and everything else but never reflashed the firmware. Maybe this is what is wrong? Popped the CD in, flashed the firmware, etc.
Now it won't even come on!
Light on the power button goes off, discs are spinning, fans are turning, but nothing is happening! Cannot reset PRAM, cannot boot off a CD, nothing.
Any advice? I know I should have quit while I was ahead!

DSL disconnects ONLY when cable is attached to laptop

I am experiencing the strangest phenomenon with my DSL line and my XAVI7868r+ router under Leopard. If I keep the ethernet cable disconnected and use only wireless, DSL connection is fine. The moment I connect the cable, SOMETHING disconnects my DSL connection.
Does anyone experience similar issues... and is there a fix?

This is a major problem for Apple!!
My iMac and MacBook both have intermittent issues with Airport and my Router. Over last weekend I had a very poor relationship with the internet and did all I could to relieve the problem, (I'm no slouch at this stuff though my ISP thought I was barking).
The most annoying thing is it seems to work then 10 mins later nogo. I have disconnected my base station and NAS drives from the router and configured the connection to use the routers built in wireless network and all seemed OK for an hour or so and then....GONE!!!!
When the base station is connected it does seem worse but whatever I do nothing is a long term fix.
Seems to me there are a lot more horrors lurking towards the surface of Leopard - and it would be nice of Apple to at least give us a schedule as to when these problems are going to be ironed out, because I'm about 10 minutes away from binning Leopard and I have not done that since the system 7 days.
C'mon guys do the right thing......AND FIX IT!!!!!

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