24bit iPod Mysteries

Hi.
I've known for a while now that iPods can't play 24bit files.
I make music so all my music is exported or imported at 24bit.
What I don't get is why iPods let you put 24bit music on them but they don't play???
I wouldn't mind if they saved you the hassle of crashing iPods when you play a 24bit file!
Any ideas people? Thanks

Your iPod is only going to output a sound as good as the source. If your source is lossless, that is the sound your iPod will play through your headphone jack. If the program you're using can decode 96/24, then yes, it will play at that quality. It is not re-encoded before playback
The problem is (and this is what I'm assuming you want to know) that the entire signal chain is only as strong as the preamp, and the iPod Touch does not have a preamp that is capable of reproducing 96/24 well enough that you would be able to notice a difference between 44.1/16 audio. In fact, the better your speakers are, the more flawed the output from your iPod Touch is going to sound. My recommendation is that you save the space and (if you must have lossless audio on your iPod) store 44.1/16 ALAC on your iPod.

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Welcome to the Forum, RDBates,
This is not my area of expertise - hopefully someone will offer some "expert" help.
Meanwhile - I will try to help, at least maybe get you pointed in a direction that will help you help yourself.
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* why don't Apple publish a proper specification of what kind of Apple Lossless file any given iPod model will play? The second I see "Apple Lossless up to 24bit/96KHz" or better I'll upgrade -- Apple, that's a promise.

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