25fps footage to put on PAL and NTSC DVDs - Inverse Telecine?

So, I've shot and edited a short item in 25P from my PAL HVX200...
I'd like to create a 'movie feature'-style NTSC DVD. One that has MPEG-2 files with inverse telecine flags to tell the NTSC decoder to repeat the fields to pull up the footage to 29.97fps.
Does that mean I need to scale my footage from 720w by 576h down to 720w by 480h, set the speed to 95.904% to 23.976fps? Can I do this in Compressor? Will Compressor take the audio and speed it up too, but keep the pitch the same?
That will get me a 24P NTSC file. How do I encode this as an MPEG for an NTSC DVD?
If I wanted to create a 'progressive' PAL MPEG for DVD (with the inverse telecine flags), are they encoded as 576 by 720 frames at 23.976fps, or at 24fps?
In the PAL world, a bit in one of the 50 non-broadcast lines is used to tell TVs and DVD players that the content is anamorphic. Is there an equivalent for NTSC? Does Compressor take care of that?
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Hey Alex
a little confused here, but from what i can gather:
you have a movie shot @ 25 fps (PAL)
you want to make a NTSC dvd and a PAL DVD, is this correct from the above source and make sure they are progressive?
well ok the PAL one is easy, just take your source video into compressor and in the frame control tab, make sure that your ouput field is progressive.
the NTSC DVD is a little tougher. do you have FCP?
the only difficulty i do see, like you said was the audio pitch/speed.
i guess you CAN do a conversion in compressor, but how well it looks.. dont know i will run some tests and let you know
Mikey

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In iMovie, there is something you can change to PAL.
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what you want it to be compatible with. Then, once
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option when you first create the project, to select
this (once again, I can't remember; I'm not on my
mac).
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