25P to 24P conform audio?

I have been trying for almost a week now to get this done for a 85min movie. I am bringing in the .aif from the 25P movie (exported as aif from FCP). Then once it loads up I select process and time stretch. then i set the hh:mm:ss:ff to be exactly how long the movie is in the 24P timeline in FCP (actually a 23.98 timeline). I also set the STP prefs to be 23.98.
I have tried now so many times and can't get the sound to sync up.
I read something about slowing down 4%. Maybe, I can try that. but how?
or maybe i should be using frames?
I read that STP automatically adjusts the pitch too. Does anyone know about doing this as well?
thanks in advance. totally confused.

I have been trying for a week using soundtrack pro to conform the sound of a 25p 1.5 hr movie to 24p. < </div>
Forgive my ignorance on the topic and I wish you success. You might find something helpful here:
http://zerocut.com/
Why do you need to conform anything? Depending on your release needs, the audio can remain a separate file. The length of your sound track won't change regardless of the frame rate; 90 minutes of 25fps is the same amount of time as 90 minutes at 24fps.
Again, my apologies for not knowing anything at all useful about your problem. Last time I shot double system or had to convert from 23.97 crystal to 29.97 NTSC was maybe 20 years ago.
Best of luck, please come back and close the post if you get it figured out.
bogiesan

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Used cinema tools to get the video 24p (23.98 on the FCP timeline) but can not seem to get the audio to sync up properly.
I tried process>time stretch and set it to the exact hh:mm:ss:ff that is the end of the movie in the 24p FCP timeline but that doesn't seem to work. (in soundtrack)
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Forgive my ignorance on the topic and I wish you success. You might find something helpful here:
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Why do you need to conform anything? Depending on your release needs, the audio can remain a separate file. The length of your sound track won't change regardless of the frame rate; 90 minutes of 25fps is the same amount of time as 90 minutes at 24fps.
Again, my apologies for not knowing anything at all useful about your problem. Last time I shot double system or had to convert from 23.97 crystal to 29.97 NTSC was maybe 20 years ago.
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