2D Screen Draw Issues - KT880 Delta

Ok, here I am again after resolving all the other issues.
It would appear that I am having some slight 2D screen draw issues. As with everyone else that has posted in these forums along the same lines with the KT880 Delta everything is fine with 3D. For some reason it is only with 3D.
So far I have done the following:
Moved my Soundblaster Live Card to the 5th PCI Slot to avoid any conflict.
Installed, Uninstalled and reinstalled both sound and nVidia drivers
Disabled VLink 8x in the bios
Set AGP to 4x in the bios (I only have a 4x AGP card currently)
Set the cache to 128mb
First installed the correct 4-in-1 drivers, then superceded thoses with the Hyperion drivers instead.
Despite all this I am still getting draw issues when minimising and maximizing windows, scrolling through web sites, and dragging open windows around the desktop. However, I have tried 2d drawing tests on windows media player 10, as well as pitstop (that actually told me I had a good setup!!)
So, not too sure what to do...any more help would be great.
Specs are:
MSI KT880 Board
Sempron 2800+ 2.0ghz CPU
1.5Ghz DDR333 memory
Gainward MX440 128Mb 4x AGP card
Creative Soundblaster Live! 1024 card
350w PSU (Not sure what type it is!!!)
I hope thats enough information

This appears to be a recurring problem with the KT880 across several different graphic cards (mostly NVIDIA). I've never seen so many complaints specific to 2D graphics collectively as have been reported here for just one particular mainboard. There is talk of a BETA BIOS that solved at least one case, but not others:
KT880 Slow 2D Performance with Leadtek 6600GT AGP
KT880 Screen Draw problem
KT880 DELTA mainboard and 2D speed decrease
MSI kt880 Delta + Graphics card = problems
KT880 Slow Screen Draw and other problems
KT880 DELTA FSR Problem with graphics in Win XP
The number of reported cases is more than the # of threads because some users entered into existing threads to report they had the same problem with KT880. MSI should be investigating this issue.

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Someone else posted a similar thread, but his issue got resolved. Here's the deal.
I have the system described in my signature. The PSU is not mentioned, but it is an Antec 400W PSU that I bought specifically because it met the suggested requirements set forth in the Trouble Shooting guide (I'd list the amps, but I really don't want to open my computer up right now). Anyways, the screen draw performance is horrible, particularly in Windows Media Player 10 and at http://www.pcpitstop.com during the video test. The odd thing is that when I play games (Rainbox Six 3 Raven Shield for example) I see no problem in video performance. I just reinstalled windows, updated it, and then installed the latest 4in1s and nVidia driver (66.93) and tried it: same problem occurs. I have tried my Mushkin memory as well as some cheap SimpleTech stuff I have, and both give problems. Any suggestions? Do you think this may be a problematic board? Does any other KT880 Delta user have this problem?

Quote from: drummer13 on 07-March-05, 15:53:33
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=74852.0;id=448
There is the URL to the beta bios. It is named as index.zip, but I downloaded it and it is fine. In case the .exe file doesn't work, just download the 1.8 bios file from the kt880 webpage and use it. That was the one I used.
I don't think this is a quality of memory issue. I set one up for my friend with some corsair memory in it and it did the same thing. And the beta bios here (1.9b6) fixed it and mine. I am not sure what exactly it fixes, but it does fix it. My computer was the same. good on games, bad on desktop. It's got me, but all I know is my system is a beast now.
Hope this helps... but remember, don't cry if you blow stuff up using beta anything.
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Do I need to reduce the FSB of my RAM @333 to the FSB of the 2400+ @266?
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Hi guys...first post here!!
Just bought a new KT880 mobo to run a Sempron 2800+ 2.0Ghz chip. My problems are these...
1) When I switch on the machine, I am getting 2 quick beeps, with 4 rapid beeps after that. With this is a message which states "Your CPU Fan had been disconnected or running at low RPM" On researching google, I found that this was requiring an upgrade to Bios version 1.9, which I did successfully. However the beeps and message remain!!
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Good list of specs, but we should also learn what PSU you got, and the max amperes(A) it can provide. This board is the "heaviest" VIA, so you need 18A on the 12V line.
After installation of a new mobo, at least a Repair Installation of Windows is required. When you do this, have as little as possible in. For example disconnect the Slave hard disk, take out the sound card, only one stick of memory, only one CD device.

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Hi there!!
I have upgraded mainboard from MSI K7T266 Pro2-A to MSI KT880 DELTA.
After that upgrade, speed of 2D Graphics radically decreased. I was trying to change values of AGP in BIOS (Speed, Fastwrite), but really nothing helped.
It is really annoying. The screen is scrolling, everything is drawing very slow. I am working with 2D graphics...
I have GeForce 2 MX400. (I am working in 2D, so i don't need to buy new card)
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ESS Modem
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114 32 43 NVIDIA GeForce FX 5500
113 32 17 NVIDIA GeForce 6600
106 32 14 NVIDIA GeForce3 Ti 200
104 32 24 NVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT
104 32 44 NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 440 with AGP8X
102 32 15 NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 4000 (Microsoft Corporation)
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MB MSI KT880 Delta FSR
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mobo : kt880 delta
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how long have you had the PSU? try another one in case it is faulty somehow
In fact the PSU is brand new so I cannot be sure it's working correctly but the HDD are running. But ok if you are sure it could be a problem I will try with another one.
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what about the memory? what happens if you use one stick at a time?
Memory was checked with memtest and I got no errors after two passes. When looking for the instability cause I tried with just one module then with the other one and for both on several slots but it didn't change anything. In addition, the problem occurred just after I changed the cpu but it was running with this module in this position at this time. I also can try but I don't think it's the reason of the problem.
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and what about removing the mobo from the case in case something is shorting the back of it?
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installed the last drivers give VIA, it finishes it bios and I have proven
other (1.96) that end up he gives to find in a post he gives this forum, I have
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memoirs that I have 2x256MB DDR266,y they follow the problems and I have found
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I am not quite sure,
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/support/bios/bos/spt_bos_detail.php?UID=600&kind=1
Bios updates dont fix any important issues
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