2G Touch line out via dock - deliberately disabled?

So here are the questions:
- does Apple make a car cable compatible with ALL dock connector iPods (e.g. Touch and Touch 2G) that not only puts sound out via dock but also allows charging from car 12v DC? (I don't think so)
- why doesn't Apple try to collect its tax directly by making its own "special chip and charge adapter" so we can all buy these adapters, pay the tax, and carry on using our already installed dock cables?
Closest I can find is Sendstation but they do not do a dock to dock straight-through/pass-through unit - only dock to 3.5mm/usb etc.
Anyone got any ideas?
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