2nd Monitor ICC profile in Acrobat 9

Hi,
I have problem with iMac24" dual monitor setup and Acrobat 9 Pro. I can't get the second monitor ICC profile applied to the pdf document when dragged to the the second monitor. Had the same problem with PhotoShop CS4. I spent several day to figure out why the second monitor looks totally over saturated with PS CS4 (looked fine with PS CS3) and yes indeed the solution was to turn OFF OpenGL in PS preferences. Still have the same problem with Acrobat 9 Pro. When the document is dragged to other monitor the ICC profile of that monitor is not applied. Any idea how to get that working as I can't find the OpenGL setting in Acrobat 9 . I have iMac24" and HP LP2475w as a secondary monitor which is wide gamut monitor which is far too over saturated without proper ICC. Any ideas?

Jao...
Does the secondary monitor always assume it will open in the monitor which WinXP defines in settings as '2'?
The reason I ask, is that if I have the secondary monitor open as "full screen" it opens on the 2nd monitor.
However, I have a slightly different set up. I have my primary LR space stretched some into the 2nd monitor, so that the right hand panels are on the second screen. This gives me a larger space to view the images on the main screen. When I open the secondary LR space, it is not full screen, but sized to just fit in the rest of the available space on the second monitor....and I usually use this space for the 'grid' of thumbnails.
My concern is that if the secondary LR space is even slightly larger than the available space on the secondary monitor, it will pop up in the middle of the primary monitor. After much trial and error, I found the sizing solution and it works....
However, since it seems to open either in #1 or #2 screen, I still have this nagging question....and there is no way I know to query LR to know what ICC profile is being used.
Thanks...JOHN

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Jao...
Does the secondary monitor always assume it will open in the monitor which WinXP defines in settings as '2'?
The reason I ask, is that if I have the secondary monitor open as "full screen" it opens on the 2nd monitor.
However, I have a slightly different set up. I have my primary LR space stretched some into the 2nd monitor, so that the right hand panels are on the second screen. This gives me a larger space to view the images on the main screen. When I open the secondary LR space, it is not full screen, but sized to just fit in the rest of the available space on the second monitor....and I usually use this space for the 'grid' of thumbnails.
My concern is that if the secondary LR space is even slightly larger than the available space on the secondary monitor, it will pop up in the middle of the primary monitor. After much trial and error, I found the sizing solution and it works....
However, since it seems to open either in #1 or #2 screen, I still have this nagging question....and there is no way I know to query LR to know what ICC profile is being used.
Thanks...JOHN

Monitor ICC Profiles

Greetings Adobe People!
I've been working with Photoshop since version 6.0, I know people quite often use that as bragging rights and I guess, that's what I'm doing, please forgive mefor doing so. Just trying to state in some term that I think I'm somewhat wise in a few of the ways of :Photoshop. I've read a few books here and there about what I should do for monitor ICC Profiles, I have a Gretag Macbeth, Eye-One Display 2 and I use it to calibrate my laptop and desktop monitor every couple of weeks. I stumbled upon an old picture I had made for some friends in CS2 I believe, a few years back, when I didn't have my Gretag and I was *GASP* calibrating my monitor using Adobe Gamma! When I load the psd file the colors are vibrant and stunning, when I load the associated jpg the colors are dull and extremely muted. Now I'm using Adobe RGB 1998, we could go on all day about sRGB and Adobe RGB and the slew of others that are out there, but at the end of the day it's really just personal preference, much like football fans or people who bicker over why X sports car is better than Y road car, what I'm asking is just keep it to your self if you don't mind doing so. If I select the most recent of my monitor profiles the colors return to there natural glory in both the jpg and the psd file, but I've heard for printing you need to have your RGB set to either sRGB or Adobe RGB 1998 and then print from your printer profile... When I do go to print I've got it down to a pretty good science of getting things done, so it doesn't take me too long to do it and I really don't pay too much attention anymore as to what I'm doing. I could go through the steps here, but I'm sure those that are familiar with it, know what I'm talking about. So all of this typing is leading to this, is it ok to just use my monitor profile for my main profile or should I stick with Adobe RGB 1998 and if I stick with Adobe RGB 1998, how can I get the muted colors to show up like they do in the psd file for the jpg file. Sorry for typing so much, and please take all the time you need to get back to me, I'm in no rush at all... Take care!
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Keep using your EyeOne to calibrate, but don't use that monitor profile as a working space. That's not what it was designed for. Stick with the sRGB or Adobe RGB as your working space. As to your legacy file, this is where the Assign Profile can come into good use. Try using Assign Profile to find the working space that makes your old file looks its best. Then you can either leave it in that space or convert to your preferred working space. As to printing, it won't make a hell of a lot of difference whether you use Adobe RGB, sRGB or something else. It's more important that you've properly calibrated and that you are using a good (preferably custom) printer profile while printing.

Could anyone please let me know how to set a ICC profile with Acrobat dlls using Csharp or VB

Could anyone please let me know how to set a ICC profile with Acrobat dlls using Csharp or VB

Cant we even use the dlls in an application?
In order to automate Acrobat, you need to have Acrobat installed. There is
nothing you can do with just the DLLs. As was already stated, Acrobat is
not licensed for use on a server, but regardless of that, it's also
not technically suitable for server use. You need to find a solution
outside of Acrobat to solve your problem.
It also seems that you don't have a good understanding of what is going in
inside a PDF file. PDF is a very complex file format, and based on
your questions
and followup questions, you need to spend a considerable amount of time
getting familiar with the PDF file format to understand how color works in
the PDF context. Reader the PDF spec, while paying special attention to the
section about color. You will find out that if you want to convert the
color space of a "PDF file", you actually need to convert the color space
associated with every single object in your PDF file. That is fairly simple
for vector graphic and text, but when it comes to images, you may have to
convert the image data. Once you have a good understanding of what it is
you need to do within the PDF file, then you can start looking for tools
that allow you to do that. Again, Acrobat and therefore the Acrobat SDK is
not suitable for this task. If you want to stay with Adobe products take a
serious look at the PDF Library, which his licensed through Datalogics (
http://www.datalogics.com/products/pdf/pdflibrary/). As you've mentioned,
there are other, non-Adobe PDF libraries that you can also use, but this is
the Acrobat SDK forum, so I won't discuss any of those 3rd party solutions.
You are wasting your time while looking for a simple solution that does not
exist.

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Kai,Simon,
This is the problem i have been having.Colour profiling is correct,prints are rubbish.I run a fuji frontier
as well as epson printers.Anything from aperture is not what you see on screen.I am running aperture2.1.
Today we are removing 2.1 and doing a reinstall of 1.1 but not upgrading to 2 to test run prints.I have been looking for answers to this for sometime.
Simon,the problems we are have are very similar to you clients,photoshop fine,aperture not.I also have 20"external apple monitor attached which is used as the colour correcting monitor ( as the imac screen is not that good for criticl work ) I will post my findings here.
Simon, if you wish to investigate further,e-mail me,i am in leeds
daisy ( not a happy printer )

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An image displayed in Safari and then pulled off the web into Photoshop shifts colors noticeably. This is esp. apparent in a side-by-side comparison on the same monitor with the Safari window open next to the Photoshop file window…they look very different.
Possible clues?
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Just read this entire thread and wanted to leave a few comments and qualifications, first a couple of FACTS for all to consider.
1) I am not "new" to color management - in fact I am quite experienced in color management at a commercial level since the days of film back when getting "accurate color" was actually difficult. At this point it should be easy if the involved software is working correctly and impossible if it is not.
2) I have the top of the line color management solution provided by one of the top players in the color management market and am using it properly as verified by their technicians.
3) I am running 10.6 on my main computers. Mac Pro, 2 27inch iMac sandy bridge quad cores, and am using mac cinema displays (new ones) on all of them.
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At this point in time I am holding the color management vendor I use to create the profiles responsible - the reason that I am doing that has nothing to do with what exactly the technical problem is. It s purely because they claim that the product is compatible with OS 10.6 and they claim that their software does EXACTLY what I want = mach two monitors. Now we all know that different monitors have slightly different gamuts but at the end of the day if two identical colors fall within the gamut of both monitors they should display the same. They don't. I have worked with my color management vendor for 6 months on this, they agree that it is not working properly, they blame apple but they cannot tell me exactly what the issue is.
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Adobe Acrobat Pro 9.1.0 distiller ICC profile error asks for reinstall

I have Windows XP professional, SP3.
My Systems Administrator recently upgraded my Adobe Acrobat Pro 8 to 9.1.0 and since then I keep getting an error that says: Distiller cannot find its standard ICC profiles. Please reinstall Adobe Acrobat to correct this problem.
This error happens when:
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2. I try to print to any printer from certain websites, such as the usps.com, where I print all our postage labels from.
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Greetings,
I'm successfully running Photoshop CC in Windows 7 on bare metal PCs. To support that, I profile/calibrate my monitors with Datacolor Spyder4Elite and print with Qimage. Photoshop, Spyder4, and Qimage all create and/or install ICC profiles. Does any/all of that function correctly within virtual machines hosted by VMware Workstation (v9.0.2, specifically)? Datacolor's Spyder4Elite, for example, relies upon periodic reloading of the LUT (Look-Up Table) of the graphics adapter. The other apps I mention ask Windows to use ICC profiles. Can I successfully move all of these workflow elements into virtual machines?
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No, actually the System Default stayed the same, but the ACER profile showed up in the Devices panel. However, [ ] Use My Settings was NOT checked, implying they found some way to install the profile that's outside the normal configuration settings somewhere between the Advanced and Devices level configuration.
The fix is to check the [ ] Use My Settings box, add the profile one wants to use in the Devices panel, and [Set as Default Profile]. This overrides the setting above.
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