2x SSD as RAID-0 in 2nd optical bay, orig. must function... also RAM ?

Hey all I know this is kind of a long post but I think it would help a lot of people out to get all of this information together in one spot so please help me figure this out. Thanks in advance.
I am purchasing a 3.33GHz Hexcore MP, aside from processor stock from Apple. My plans are:
Add 2x 4GB RAM to 2 of the 3 orig. 1GB chips, for a theoretical 10GB (for now) Is this feasible/advantageous?
2x 50GB OWC Mercury Pro RE SSDs as RAID-0, boot volume, in 2nd optical bay. The catch is I'd really like to keep the std. optical drive functional in the first bay.
4x 1TB 7200 drives in HD bays, two RAID-0 arrays, second as mirror of first.
So here are my series of questions:
1 - How can I hook up the 2 SSDs in the second bay as far as SATA/power are concerned. I do not want to hook them up externally and want a good fast pipeline for them, yet I do not want to disconnect the stock optical drive. Do I need any additional hardware/cables for an internal connection? I've also heard of a sort of hardware RAID enclosure that houses the two SSDs in the optical drive, occupying only one SATA/power connection and sharing it between the two of them. Does anyone know any specific products, and is the performance as good as two dedicated SATA connections?
2 - using Disk Utility (or similar), can the second RAID-0 2TB HDD set mirror the first, like two RAID-0s nested in a fat RAID-1, or, in a pinch, is Time Machine or cloning the way to go for redundancy there? The idea here is to not buy the RAID card.
3 - Can I partition a RAID-0 stripe or is that just a bad idea? The idea is to partition off space on the two RAID-0 HDD sets to mirror the SSD set (thus cloning the boot drive), plus a small partition for a windows VM. Any better ideas how to accomplish redundancy for the boot volume and isolation for a Bootcamp/VM partition?
I know this is a lot and may seem rather amateurish, but I'd really appreciate some help here. I'd like to get this ball rolling! Thanks in advance for your replies!
Steve

What are some of the 'other things' you refer to in this area that would yield a greater payback?
• The biggest payback comes from having a separate System/Applications/Paging drive, by moving the Users folder off it completely.
When you are running a program, it will read a User file, execute a little, then move into an area of the program or System that is not currently resident in RAM memory. This requires an access to the System Drive, to get a part of the program, a part of the System, or a part of a Paging file. Each access to the System/Applications/Paging area or drive takes longer because the arm was positioned to read the User file, and has to seek a long way to get to the System etc. area.
Each time you access System stuff, this moves the arm away from your User input file, and the next User read will take longer because the drive arm has to be moved back to the User file.
Separating System/Applications/Paging onto a separate drive from all User files speeds up everything you do.
• If this drive is fast, that is better.
Access time on a spinning disk varies varies, but it is commonly 10 to 20 milliseconds. It consists of seek time (time to move the arm to the track desired and verify that it has arrived at the proper track) and rotational latency (average time for the platter to spin around so that the required block is under the read/write head).
At 7200 RPM, (120 spins/sec) one full spin takes 8.3 milliseconds, and half that amount is about 4.2 milliseconds. At 10,000 RPM, (166.6 spins/sec) one full spin takes only about 6 Milliseconds, and half that is only 3 milliseconds.
A drive with a faster seek time, a higher RPM rate (which indirectly gives a faster transfer time), and a larger cache (approximately in that order) will speed up your System/Applications/Paging drive and make your Mac seem faster. For example, using a small 10,000 RPM Velociraptor instead of a 1TB 7200 RPM WD Black is snappier overall. It seeks faster and is spinning faster so the arm is positioned faster, the data get into read position faster (on average) and once reading has begun, the data are presented to the drive cache faster.
Access time plus transfer time is usually dead time, in that little else can proceed until the data transfer is complete.
• If this drive is a \[no seek time, no rotational latency, fast transfer rate] SSD, that is Much better.
An SSD eliminate both seek time (positioning the arm to the track) and rotational latency (time waiting for the disc to spin around to the right block to be read) and substitutes a miniscule (by comparison) read time. Once reading has begun, a huge block of data is immediately available for transfer, so the effective data transfer rate is also much higher.
• If this drive is an SSD Striped RAID, that is marginally better still, because it increases the effective transfer time.
But the access time, the Big Boat-Anchor in this process, was almost eliminated by using the FIRST SSD. None of the typical seek-time and rotational latency gains of RAID-ing spinning disks are recovered by RAID-ing SSDs. The transfer rate is increased, often nearly doubled, but that is the smallest part of the delays caused by disk accessing.

Similar Messages

  • MacPro RAID Card - working with SSDs in 2nd optical bay?

    I am planning to get a MP wit the Apple RAID card in order to configure 4 internal HDs as a RAID5. Does anyone have experience whether this setup would be compatible with one (or two) additional SSDs (boot drive) which will be connected via the 2nd optical bay.
    Does this work at all - I understand the RAID card changes from SATA to SAS ports. I am not interested to include the SSDs in the RAID setup but would like to know whether this would work at all or whether I should better plan without the RAID card.
    Thanks
    Tobias

    I am planning to get a MP wit the Apple RAID card in order to configure 4 internal HDs as a RAID5. Does anyone have experience whether this setup would be compatible with one (or two) additional SSDs (boot drive) which will be connected via the 2nd optical bay.
    Does this work at all - I understand the RAID card changes from SATA to SAS ports. I am not interested to include the SSDs in the RAID setup but would like to know whether this would work at all or whether I should better plan without the RAID card.
    Thanks
    Tobias

  • Using 2nd optical bay for 5th system HDD?

    Is it possible in the newly released Mac Pro to use the 2nd optical bay to house the system drive?
    I want to stripe 4 x SATAs in the main enclosures on a RAID-5 for HD capture/playout with a CalDigit Hardware RAID card and have OS + apps on the 5th drive.
    Is this possible? Has anyone done it with success?

    I have two drives in the lower optical drive bay on a 2006 model.
    MaxUpgrades has a kit for the older design, check and see if it is compatible. Sort of expensive kit. One drive should be easier.
    http://www.maxupgrades.com/istore/index.cfm

  • Any concerns with a 5th HDD in 2nd optical bay?

    I'm thinking of adding a fifth hard disk drive to my Mac Pro 2.8GHz Quad-Core (Mid 2010) "Nehalem" machine. I'll use if for storing audio sample libraries, some of which will be used in streaming playback. Are there any special concerns or considerations I need to accommodate?
    (I know I'll need an adapter. I'm planning to use OWC's Multi-Mount® adapter.)
    Thanks!

    Should not be a problem but I would install a temperature monitor utility just to keep an eye on things.  OWC is a fine choice.  Depending on just how large a drive you need you might want to also consider a SSD.  For those you could just let lay in there without mounting an adapter although adapters are sold for them too.
    Note, from what I read 3TB drives run relatively "hot" so you might want to avoid putting those in there.  Not sure about Western Digital 3TB "green" drives though.

  • AppleScript to open 2nd optical bay?

    Yep, I know that with an Apple keyboard it’s Option-Eject. I’m using a Logitech diNovo Mac Edition keyboard and that combo opens the primary drawer only.
    I know that I can do this by opening Disk Utility, choosing the drive, and clicking the “Open” button, but I'd prefer to have a script or other alternative. Any help would be appreciated.

    Using Automator's Run Shell Script action, enter this text:
    drutil -drive # tray eject
    ...where "#" is the number of the device. You can find out the number of the desired device by opening Terminal and entering drutil list.

  • Which DVD burner for 2nd optical bay?

    Hi All,
    I really want to expand and get a faster, preferably dual layer DVD superdrive for my MDD. Considering I'm a total klutz and I want to do it myself, what is the best one to go with (ie. easy to install, no software issues etc). Any advice?
    Thanks in advance!
    Mel

    Hi, Melmac!
    Pioneer DVR-110 or DVR-111 and NEC ND3550A are favorites. Both are highly compatible with Tiger.
    If you can put up with multiple rebates, you can't beat the price on this NEC. (I'm using the same one in my QS 2002 Mac.)
    Here's a link to video install instructions. The process is quite simple. You could just add the new one and run two in the MDD, if you want...
    Gary

  • Apple RAID card w/SSD in Optical Bay

    If I've got this right, you cannot use the Apple RAID card in the new Mac Pro if you have even one SSD drive in any of the four HD bays. What I'm trying to determine is if you can use the Apple RAID card if the four HD bays all have 'normal' drives installed, but still want to use an SSD as a 5th drive, and locate it in the lower optical bay.
    Hope the question makes sense, and I hope someone knows the answer!
    Thanks.

    Hi rlhinc,
    If you have not already purchased an Apple RAID card, and you only want to set up a RAID 0, as your post on another thread suggests, why not set up a software RAID 0 using Disk Utility:
    http://macperformanceguide.com/Storage-HowToSetupRAID.html
    With any RAID configuration the drives should all be identical, whether you are using 2, 3 or 4 drives.
    I have 4 WD VelociRaptor 300GB drives in a striped (Scratch + Data) RAID 0 configuration in the 4 hard drive bays of my 2009 Nehalem Mac Pro, and set this up with Disk Utility.
    The OS and my applications are on an SSD which is installed in the lower optical drive bay, and this set up works fine:
    http://macperformanceguide.com/Mac-InstallingSSD.html
    Regards,
    Bill

  • SOLUTION:  DOES MY 2011 MACBOOK PRO HAVE 3G OR 6G IN OPTICAL BAY FOR SSD? *ANSWER*

    Hey guys, I just wanted to share the love and tell you I've finally spoken with Apple tech support (had to go through a handful of them to find the answer).. I have a [b][u]Late 2011 MacBook Pro (8,2) (MacBookPro8,2)[/b][/u], which was [B]*PURCHASED ON APRIL 4, 2012*[/B] and wanted to upgrade both the main HD and the optical bay/SuperDrive with Dual SSD's.. but saw so much conflicting info. on the internet about how some 2011 MacBook Pros only have 3G capabilities for the optical drive, where others (released later on) had 6G drive capabilities in BOTH the main drive and optical drive bay..
    so now I'm probably sure you're asking yourself...
    WHICH CONNECTOR DOES MY MACBOOK PRO SUPPORT FOR A [B]2ND SSD IN THE OPTICAL DRIVE/SUPERDRIVE BAY?[/B]
    3G (SATA-II) OR 6G (SATA-III)
    I literally had to call Apple a half a dozen times, spoke to 2 different managers, and then eventually got them to spill the beans.. The thing with Apple is that they beat around the bush big time when it comes to things like you personally replacing/upgrading components.. As soon as you bring up the connector for the optical bay, they start asking questions.. It eventually took me to 5th call to end up speaking with some chill dude who was able to pull up my "About My Mac" and interpret if I were part of the 2011-MacBook Pro releases which had the (6G main + 3G optical) or the group that had the (6G main + 6G optical).. Literally tried everywhere on the internet, but SO HAPPY to finally have a solid answer from Apple themselves..
    [b]My specific MacBook Pro Model:[/b]
    [u]MacBook Pro (8,2) - Late 2011 (purchased April 4, 2012) - 2.4GHz Intel Core i7 - 15"[/u]
    [B][U]*SOLUTION*[/B][/U]
    If you pull open your "About this Mac", click "More Info", and then "System Report", click on "SATA" on the left column, and then if your stats in those windows match the stats from the 2 screenshots I posted, then your Optical Drive Bay/SuperDrive is equipped and handle a 6G/SATA-III drive or SSD! I'm pretty sure that it doesn't matter at all what your "MacBookProX,x" number is, as long as you have #'s that match mine in those screenshots, you're good to go!
    ENJOY!

    Could you provide some rationale(s) behind it?  As far as I know, the mid 2010 Macbook Pro, the HDD is running via the SATA interface at running at 3.0 Gb/s, which is SATA II, and the Super-drive and/or the Optical drive, which is also running via SATA II interface, so I would assume the performance (i.e. primarily in speed) would be similar if not the same by placing the SSD drive in either one of the two places. 
    Also, wouldn't it be better by placing the SSD in the optical so the OEM HDD could be kept in the original main bay since it has the shock-sensing feature there?

  • Mid 2007 iMac SSD in optical bay - cannot write to last block of device

    Hi All,
    I've just replaced my optical drive in my 20" mid 2007 iMac (Dual core, 2.4 Ghz, 2 Gb RAM running Mavericks) with a solid state drive (Crucial MX100). The plan is to transfer my boot disk to this drive while keeping my 1 Tb HDD for media and such.
    I followed the ifixit guide and it all went smoothly, however when I try to partition or erase the new SSD using Disk Utility, it tells me "Operation failed - cannot write to last block of the device". After googling, I found some answers here that suggested the optical bay cable may be faulty, so I bought a replacement and swapped it in, but no such luck, same problem. I also saw some threads suggesting that the boot disk should be in the original hard drive spot, but since this isn't the boot disk (yet) this shouldn't be the issue.
    My computer recognizes the new SSD but won't allow me to partition it. Any suggestions on how to proceed?
    Thanks!

    ds store wrote:
    3. The new disk is just bad.
    OK. If that's the case, I'll just get another disk.
    Lots of problems with that hybrid drives on Mac's on these forums, get another one that's 7,200 RPM and from Western Digital, not Seagate.
    With a 7,200 RPM you get more performance across the entire drive, not just what's cached in the small flash portion of the hybrid.
    https://discussions.apple.com/community/notebooks/macbook_pro?view=documents#/
    1. Hybrid drives: I'm on number 8 in 6 different machines, no problems at all, what happens when you try?
    2. The OP is not using a Hybrid.
    3. Lot's of problems with WD drives not booting on these forums though.

  • SSD in Optical Bay is not working in a Macbook Pro 15" 2012.

    Can anyone tell me what can be the problem ? At the beginning I could use the SSD from the Optical Bay to read but not to write. Also was impossible to unmount it. I finally wiped it out with the OCZ TOOLBOX and I updated the firmware, but after that was impossible to create any partition. I removed the SSD form the Optical Bay and I moved it back in the 1st bay. Everything is working fine when is connected in the 1st bay. I finally formated the SSD and I put it back in the optical bay, but I still have the same issue, I can't unmount it or format it and I can only read from the SSD. Have in mind that my OS is running from a different SSD.What can I do with it ?
    Many thanks.

    MacBook Pro  / Mozilla Firefox / Netflix / Silverlight Update solved - DON'T DWNLOAD FROM NETFLIX
    I solved this problem tonight. I have a MacBook Pro with 10.5.8. I know, it's old. But I love my Netflix and I recently noticed that Firefox plays Netflix much better.  Then I suddenly got this message that I needed to download the latest Silverlight - it only takes 30 seconds! - WRONG.   However, after much searching, I finally did the steps in order and it worked.  
    This was after repeatedly downloading Silverlight from the Netflix site without success.  So here's what I did:
    1. Went to http://www.microsoft.com/getsilverlight/Get-Started/Install/Default.aspx
    2. Followed the directions. I felt like such an idiot for not doing it right before.
    3. Go to your hard drive and search for "Silverlight" to locate ANY existing Silverlight files: .dmg, etc.
        [also check your Libary/ Internet Plug-ins, but the above search is faster]
    4. Drag it all to the trash and empty it.
    5. Go back to the Get  Silverlight page and click on the Install on that page, not the Netflix site.
    6. Note the steps for Safari or Mozilla Firefox - I wanted Firefox, so I follwed those instructions.
    7. Once it's installed, close all the browsers and Restart that bad boy. Right away.
    8. Open a browser, go to Netflix and proceed to joyfully rot your brain with Netflix content. Yay!

  • I installed an SSD in my optical bay, is it possible to install Windows 8 in that drive?

    [15" late 2011 MBP with preinstalled 8GB of RAM and 128GB of SSD]
    To the goddesses of this community:
    Here's the deal. Although I love OS X, but let's be realistic, there are some softwares out there only run on Windows
    Therefore, I am planning to buy an OCZ Vector 256GB SSD, transfer the OS X and all other files from the preinstalled 125GB SSD to the new OCZ Vector SSD.
    Then, install the new OCZ SSD in the hard drive bay.
    After that, wipe my old 128GB SSD, swap out my optical drive and install my old 128GB SSD in its place.
    Here's the critical part: I plan to install Windows 8 on my 128GB SSD which is currently empty and sitting in the optical bay.
    I have read some past posts saying it is not possible since 1. Boot Camp only allows Windows to be installed in the same SSD OS X is installed in. 2. You can not install Windows using Boot Camp Assistant without an internal optical drive.
    I wish to know it the above infomation is still true. If not, how to install Windows 8 in my new SSD?
    Thank you very much!

    A couple of things to note - first, you can't use Boot Camp to install Win8 on any drive except yoru start-up drive. Second, you'd want the SSD to be in the main HD bay, not the optical bay, if you plan to use it as a bootable OS X device.
    Clinton

  • Better to use optical bay or drive bay for SSD?

    Just bought a mid-2012 MacPro.  Also purchased a Crucial 512GB SSD drive, which I intend to use for a boot drive.  I know that I can install the drive in one of the four slide out drive bays.  From what I can gather, it doesn't matter which bay I use, Mac will boot equally well from any of them.  My question is:  What about the second optical bay?  Is there any advantage to putting the SSD there?  (other than keeping another slot open for HDD?)  Have tried to research this a bit, but the model is brand-new, not a lot of info out there..  Mucho thanks!

    The model is not "new" it is just a tiny change in processor options, everything else is unchanged.
    To use in standard bays you need to use an adapter to fit. If you put it in the optical bay if you are like me, it will get moved, put on its side, so again, might want to 'tie it down."
    But it doesn't matter which location.
    With 512GB you probably are going to use it for much more than just the boot drive. Maybe Aperture or other libraries.
    As for research, there are products and reviews and Mac centric sites such as
    http://www.macperformanceguide.com - click on Articles & Topics

  • SSD in optical bay - unable to write/format! Pls help!

    About one year ago, I swapped my macbook pro 17" HD for an SSD, then formatted the original HD, and placed it into the optical bay to use as a secondary drive. Although this has worked well and my applications have been booting blazing fast, I was recently told that having the SSD as a secondary drive and applications on the standard HD (in other words, the opposite of what i have now) would help video editing speeds (given that the video files would be on the SSD drive).
    So now I cloned the SSD back onto an HD, swapped the two so that the HD is now in the original slot and the SSD in the optical bay. The computer starts fine and all, but the SSD drive will not let me write anything to it. When I try to add a file to it, I get:
    Then when I click authenticate and type my password, I get:
    I then tried erasing the drive using disk utility but got this:
    Finally, I removed the drive from the optical bay, mounted it externally with a firewire g-drive mobile, and formatted with disk utility. I then mounted it back into the optical bay and Im getting the same issue.
    Everything works well and the SSD shows up on the desktop, etc, but I just can't write any files to it. How do I fix this?

    I've researched this a bit and Ive read something along these lines in several places:
    The optibay is limited to SATA II. The general consensus on this forum is to move the SSD to the primary bay and the HDD to the optibay.
    Could that be the problem? If I swap the HD and SSD around, would it solve the problem?

  • Two ssd 64gb raid 0 and two sata 320 w d hd raid 0

    Hello
    I am having issues getting the WD 320Gig hard drive's to run in raid 0
    System see the SSD in raid 0 .......but not the WD's in windows 7..... during boot up it see the WD's in the boot up and in the raid screen
    Thermal Take Dokker Case
    AMD x4 970 Black clocked to 3.9GHz with OC genie lite .... just enabled it in the bio's and let it do it on it's own.
    Corsair H50 water cooled
    MSI 890FXA-GD70 mother board
    1.80 bio's  updated already
    Diamond HD6850 GDDR5 1024MB Vid card
    Two 4 Gig Kit's Crucial DDR3 Ballistix 1280 CL8  1.65VW/XMP
    Two Micro Center Re-Badged ADATA S599 2.5 SATA SSD 64GB Hard drives running RAID 0
    flashing utility has been done to the drive’s already
    http://www.adata.com.tw/upload/downloadfile/ADATA%20S599%20Firmware%20Upgrade%20Tool%20V1.0.rar
    Two WD 320 Gig Hard Drives Sata2 16meg's cache
    Sony lightscribe DVD.
    ViewSonic 27inch HDMI 1080p 100,000 to 1 contrast and 1 ms
    Thank's for any help with this system... boots up to log on screen in 30 sec's and then after entering pass word it is on desk top in 10 sec's

    I am not having any luck at all with this.... when I do get it to see the SSD's and I load the RAID driver at win7 driver install screen it all loads up fine and when it get's ready to go into win7 after rebooting I get a blue screen and reboot's..... blue screen flashes by so fast i can not read it...... also i took back the the Micro Center Re-Badged ADATA S599 2.5 SATA SSD HDD's 64GB and exchanged them for two OCZ Vertex 80GB SSD and swapped out the two WD 320GB for one WD Caviar Black 1TB 7,200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 64meg's.... I am looking to RAID 0 the two SSD's and I just can not get it using the RAID hardware on the MB .... I have been able to do it in windows manager but it will not let me load OS on to them... I do have Win7 loaded onto the WD 1TB SATA HDD at this point hoping I could get the two SSD's in RAID 0 and did.... but only as dynamic and it will not let me load OS on to them... I had hoped to do and then delete the OS on the WD 1TB SATA hard drive
    Thank you in Adv. for any assistance

  • Installing Windows 7 on Replacement SSD in optical bay Early 2011 MBP

    So i just bought a 120gb SSD and a optical bay enclosure that i installed into my early 2011 MBP. I also bought a optical drive external usb enclosure. I was hoping that I could use bootcamp to install Windows 7 onto the SSD but when i go through the bootcamp menu and my laptop restarts im stuck with a blank black screen. Ive also tried using bootcamp to create a bootable USB (which i had to do a work around to get to work because it supposed to only work for MBA) that didnt work. Can anyone help?

    ANYONE???

Maybe you are looking for

  • Space in table cell content

    Hi, I want to add some space before and after the table cell content. I am using setIntercellSpacing() method to achieve that and I could get the required functionality. But its adding space in the Table Header also which looks odd. Is there any way

  • Macbook Pro Retina crashes with thunderbolt display

    Whenver I plug the thunderbolt display into my macbook pro retina both displays black out and the computer becomes semi-unrespsonsive (ie I can hear the volume controls however that is all. I need to force shutdown. I've noticed this problem happenin

  • Cannot force Safari to use Adobe Reader in Leopard for pdf

    Vanguard.com only supports download of pdfs on a Mac if Safari is using Adobe Reader. (Yes, that's totally awesome.) I can't seem to force Safari to do that; it will only use Safari's built-in pdf reader. - In Adobe Reader 8.1.1's preferences, the op

  • HT2534 Can't find de option "NONE" on Payment Type... is this tutorial a joke?

    Can't find de option "NONE" on Payment Type... is this tutorial a joke?

  • [Editors: text editor] KVim

    # Packager: Dawid Ciezarkiewicz "arael" <arael[at]fov[dot]pl> pkgname=kvim pkgver=6.2.14 pkgrel=1 pkgdesc="KVim is a port of Vim to the KDE" url="http://www.freehackers.org/kvim/index.html" depends=(qt) makedepends=() conflicts=() replaces=(vim) back