3G shows apple logo but wont load FW

It just keeps showing the apple logo. i cant plug it into a PC or a Mac (with firewire). ive tried rebooting it, loading forced disk mode, and loading diagnoistic mode, but it wont get past the apple phase. the warranty is up so i cant go in and get a new one or have them look at it.
thanx for all the help

Im having the same prob with my older ipod that i just recently tried to see if i can fix

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