3rd Party Sales Optional ?
Hi-
We have a vendor from which we purchase a material that some times we have shipped to our plant to later reship, and other times we have the material drop shipped.
I would like to separate the process so we can treat the 3rd party shipments as true SAP 3rd party. Is anyone aware of how of process other than the item category to control if it is 3rd party or a normal material. I am trying to find a way where I can process the true 3rd party in a different SAP factory that we use for other sales, but the item category is a global attribute. Thoughts anyone?
Thanks.
-Larry
Hi Larry,
You are right that the third party process is being recognized by item category and corresponding schedule line category.
Have you considered creating seperate item categor or schedule line category?
Thanks and best regards,
Smile
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How to Prevent Workflow when Automatic PO created in 3rd Party Sales
Hello,
We have set up a special Sales Document Type for the purpose of 3rd party sales. The item category is TAS, so the Purchase requisition gets created automatically.
The problem is that when the Sales Order is saved, it starts a Business Workflow and sends an email to our EDI Technical Team. We want to disable the workflow functionality in this sales document because it is not needed.
Is there a way to disable ALE for a sales document type?
Thanks very much!Hi,
Please review the following notes for more information:
550388 FAQ: Customizing of third-party and individual Pos
210997 Accnt assignmt categoriesin third-party and indiv.P
On creating Purchase order for requirement created for a customer sales order stock, if the customer sales order stock is not valuated, this means a Consumption ( GBB ) account is involved here. If the posting is a consumption account, SAP allows the user to decide whether it should be autotmatically or manually entered. Because of this option, system need this account to be set with Field 'Automatic posting only' to ' '.
With this field 'Automatic posting only' setting to ' ', whether the account can be automatically or manually entered is then controlled by the field status in the PO creation. If you do not want the user to enter the account manually, then this account should be set to display mode in PO.
If the customer sales order stock is valuated, then in General business process, this would involve a BSX ( material account )
postings. Normally this is automatically derived during PO creations. No manual enterring is allowed. Thus if it is correct to set this account with field Automatic posting only' setting to 'X' in FI settings.
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In 3rd party sales error -consumption a/c not assigned to PO auto a/c assig
Dear Friends,
while creating va01 for 3rd party sales , error -consumption a/c not assigned to purchase order automatic account assignment.
i need to do obyc setting for gbb in need to select a/c modifier -what is that ?
SO is a cost object.
Reg
nageshHi,
Please review the following notes for more information:
550388 FAQ: Customizing of third-party and individual Pos
210997 Accnt assignmt categoriesin third-party and indiv.P
On creating Purchase order for requirement created for a customer sales order stock, if the customer sales order stock is not valuated, this means a Consumption ( GBB ) account is involved here. If the posting is a consumption account, SAP allows the user to decide whether it should be autotmatically or manually entered. Because of this option, system need this account to be set with Field 'Automatic posting only' to ' '.
With this field 'Automatic posting only' setting to ' ', whether the account can be automatically or manually entered is then controlled by the field status in the PO creation. If you do not want the user to enter the account manually, then this account should be set to display mode in PO.
If the customer sales order stock is valuated, then in General business process, this would involve a BSX ( material account )
postings. Normally this is automatically derived during PO creations. No manual enterring is allowed. Thus if it is correct to set this account with field Automatic posting only' setting to 'X' in FI settings.
Please read the note 37563.
Please check if note 842977 is present in your system.
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The item is not relevant for billing. 3rd Party Sale
Hello, experts,
I have met a problem in 3rd party sale scenario. Here is the situation:
1. I have created a sales order using a 3re party item (item category: tas and billing type: order-related billing). And the PR is generated successfully at the schedule line level.
2. In the next step, I have created PO with reference to this PR.
3. As in my situation, the items are sent to customer by vendor directly, there is no need to maintain MIGO and MIRO.
4. I try to creat billing with reference to the sales order and here appears the error. The log shows:
"The item is not relevant for billing."
There are actually many threads in the forum and I have tried much of them.
I have checked firstly in VOV8 the sales order type->the order-related billing type for OR(standard sales order) is F2.
VOV7 the item category type->tas billing relevance: F (order-related billing)
VTFA the copy control->F2 with OR and in the item level, the item category tans is also maintained.
I can not decide where the problem is. Any idee?
Thanks,
FanHi
3. As in my situation, the items are sent to customer by vendor directly, there is no need to maintain MIGO and MIRO.
This statement is absolutely wrong
MIGO is optional in third party transactions and MIRO is a Must
Third party item cat billing relevance is F
F: Order-related billing doc. - status according to invoice quantity
Relevant for order-related billing documents based on the invoice receipt quantity (third-party business transaction). The system transfers the order into the billing due list only after the vendor invoice has been received and processed in the purchasing department. After the receipt of each invoice, a customer invoice is created for the quantity that appears on the vendor invoice. The order has status "Billed" until the next vendor invoice is received.
Item category TAS (Third party item) is set up with billing relevance "F" in the standard system.
This is the SAP explanation of F billing relevance
Maintain the copy control settings in VTFA as suggested by the other friend
Without MIRO you cannot invoice the customer in third party
Regards
Raja -
Hi all
i have query regarding the 3rd party sales, I raise a sales order for say 100 quantity and PR will get generate and PO will be created and we need do the MIRO.for example vendor sent only 70 instead of 100 quantity.when i do MIRO, quantity is coming 100. should i need to change manual or is there any other process. Pls let me know.
thanks in advance
Regards,
NageshIn 3rd party, generally we do statistical MIGO- GR for the received qty. Though its optional. But for the short qtty received you have to change manually while performing MIRO transaction.
Where as in Customer Invoice- Billing, system will read the GR or IR qtty for billing ( based on customization done customization done in VOV7-for item category- Billing relevance)
Regards,
Reazuddin MD -
3rd party sales order (GL posting)
I have posted this thread in Sales forum but did not receive answer. need help urgently.
i have configured 3rd party sales order where when user enter item category as TAB, PR will automatically be created and GR goes into sales order stock in MMBE.
however, user wants the COGS during GI for this 3rd party sales goes to a separate GL account.
where can i maintain the GL account?
i have tried using obyc and simulate it in omwb however, it affects even the normal sales order since it follows the standard key combination. i'd like to know where to maintain the GL account when the stock is issued from the sales order stock in mmbe.
when i simulate through omwb, and enter the movement type 601, there seems to be 1 option for sales order (GD delivery sls.ord.) however not sure where to maintain the GL for this option.
many thanks.Hi,
As per MM scenario While creating the Purchase Requisition manual or automatic system need to select Account assignment " 1 " Third-party" after Purchase order will generate based on PO receiving the good but in this scenario the material will dispatch in customer direct so inventory will not update
please cross check the config setting in this area SPRO->Sales and Distribution -> Basic Functions -> Account Assignment/Costing -> Revenue Account Determination -
Screenshots on BOM & 3rd Party Sales configuration
Hi all,
Can anyone send me the <b>screenshots on BOM & 3rd Party Sales configuration</b> ?
My id : [email protected]
Appreciate your information and will definitely reward points.
Regards
RajarshiHi Rajarshi,
SD - 3rd party sales order Create Sales Order
VA01
Order Type
Sales org, distr chnl, div
Enter
Sold to
PO #
Material
Quantity
Enter
Save
SD - 3rd party sales order View the PR that is created with a third party sales order
VA01
Order Number
Goto Item Overview
Item ->Schedule Item
SD - 3rd party sales order View the PR that is created
ME52N
Key in the PR number
Save
SD - 3rd party sales order Assign the PR to the vendor and create PO
ME57
Key in the PR number
Toggle the "Assigned Purchase Requisition"
Execute
Check the box next to the material
Assign Automatically button
Click on "Assignments" button
Click on "Process assignment"
The "Process Assignment Create PO" box , enter
Drag the PR and drop in the shopping basket
Save
SD - 3rd party sales order Receive Goods
MIGO_GR
PO Number
DN Number
Batch tab , click on classification
Serial Numbers tab
Date of Production
Flag Item OK
Check, just in case
Post
Save
SD - 3rd party sales order Create Invoice
MIRO
Invoice Date
Look for the PO , state the vendor and the Material
Check the box
Click on "Copy"
Purchase Order Number (bottom half of the screen)
Amount
State the baseline date
Simulate & Post
Invoice Number
*Invoice blocked due to date variance
SD - 3rd party sales order Create a delivery order
VL01N
In the order screen , go to the menu Sales Document , select "Deliver"
Go to "picking" tab
State the qty and save
SD - 3rd party sales order Create a billing document
VF01
Ensure that the delivery document is correct in the
Enter
Go to edit -> Log
Save
Third party order processing is as follows:
Assume three companies X, Y and Z
X - The company,
y - The customer
Z - Vendor
When ever X gets a PO from Y to supply some goods, X has an option of either manufacturing those goods or procuring those goods.
If he is procuring the goods, there are two methods that are generally followed:
Method 1) After receiving the PO from Y, X creates a sales order against Y.
Now at the same time he also creates a PO to a vendor Z to produce the goods
Z produces the goods and supplies to X
X receives the goods from Z
Then X delivers the same goods to Y.
After that X invoices Y and Z invoices X.
Note : Here there is no direct/ Indirect relation between Z and Y.
This process is known as Trading Process. and the Material here is created with Material type HAWA.
The other method is a Third party order processing method:
Here the glaring difference is that instead of Z supplying the material to X and X in turn supplying the same material to Y.
X authorizes Z to supply the material to Y on his behalf and notify him once the delivery is complete.
Now Z supplies the material to Y and acknowledges the same to X.
Z will send a copy of delivery acknowledgement and invoice to X.
After receiving the delivery confirmation and invoice from Z, X has to verify the invoice and this process is known as invoice verification and is done in SAP through Tcode MIRO.
The next step for X is to create an invoice and submit to Y
Only after the invoice verification document is posted then only X can create an invoice for Y.
This is the business flow that is followed for third party order configuration.
There are few steps that have to be configured to enable the system to function as mentioned above.
Step1)
If you are always following a third party process for a material then you have to create the material using item category group BANS.
The procurement type should be marked as External procurement (F) in MRP 2 view of the material master record.
if you are not always allowing third party order processing then u can create a material master record with item category group as NORM and the procurement type should be marked as ( X) meaning both types of procurement ( in house manufacturing and external procurement).
Step 2)
the item category in the order should be manually changed as TAS.
For that you need to configure the item category determination
Order type + item cat Group + Usage + High level = Item cat + Manual item cat
OR + NORM + + = TAN + TAS
OR + BANS + + = TAS
Step 3)
make sure that during the item category configuration for TAS you need to mark relevant for billing indicator as F
step 4)
The schedule line category for this type should be CS.
make sure that you mark subsequent type as NB - purchase requisition in this schedule line category as this will trigger the purchase requisition order immediately after the creation of the sales order and the PO to vendor is created against this purchase requisition
Hope this will help you alot and Please Reward If Really Helpful,
Cheers,
Govind. -
3rd Party Sales::Create Automatic PO in Item Cat vs. in SL Catgy
Hi All,
I've a query regd the 3rd party sales order processing.
There is an indicator at item category level, we've an indicator 'Create PO Automatic'.
Also, at Schedule Line category level, for CS, we've indicators for Order Type as NB and Item category as 5(Third-party).
Can somebody explain the importance of each and the relevant settings required to configure 3rd party sales?
Also, how to configure to trigger automatic PO?
Rgds,
Raghu.Hi,
PROCEDURE TO CREATE THIRD PARTY SALES
Step: 1
Create Purchasing organization.
Path: Img--enterprise structureu2014definitionu2014materials managementu2014Maintain purchasing org.
Step: 2
Assign Purchasing Org. to company code
Path: ImgEnterprise structureu2014Assignment Materials management-- Assign purchasing organization to company code.
Step: 3
Assign purchasing organization to plant
Path: ImgEnterprise structureu2014Assignment Materials management-- Assign purchasing organization to plant
Step: 4
Create purchasing group
Path: Materials Managementu2014Purchasingu2014Create purchasing group
Step: 5
Maintain purchasing area
Path: Materials Managementu2014Purchasing-- Maintain Purchasing Area
Step: 6
Maintain Purchasing Area Determination
Path: Materials Managementu2014Purchasing-- Purchasing Area Determination
Step: 8
Create Vendor Account Group
Path: Imgu2014Financial Accountingu2014Accounts Receivables and Accounts Payablesu2014
Customer Accountsu2014Vendor Accountsu2014Master Datau2014Preparations for Creating Vendor Master Data--Define Account Group
Step: 9
Assign Number Rangers to Vendor Group
Step: 10
Create Vendor
T-Code: XK01
Step 11:
Creeate Sales order VA01
Here note down the PR number
Step 12: Create Purchase Order
T-code: ME21N
Step 13.Release the PO. Number.
T- Code: ME29N
Step 14: Post Invoice Receipt
Use T- Code MIRO
Step 15:
Generate invoice VF01
Hope this will help.
Reward Point if helpful
Thanks,
Raja -
One line item delivery for 3rd party sales order
Hello Experts,
We have configured a 3rd party sales order process where the PR gets created. We are using scheduling agreement(PO) and creating Schedule line and doing a GR for partial line items. The stock is recieved as a Sales Order stock.
But when i create a Sales Delivery the delivery document copies all the line items (ieven for the ones which we don't have GR) from the sales order and we have to manually delete the line items from delivery doc.
Is there a way i can restrict the delivery document to only copy the line items from the sales order for which the sales order stock is available? If so how can we do that?
Appreicate your help.
Thanks
Arpita RaniHello All,
We have configured a 3rd party sales order process. The schedule line category is configured with account assignment categoory as "M". when we are creating GR the Moving average price of the material is not getting updated.
But if i replace with "E" it is getting updated, but the CO-PA is not getting generated for Profitability segment reporting.--we need profitability segment reportng.
Can some one tell me how we can update the moving average price using acc. asssignment category type "M" at the same time the Profitability segement information is updated.
THanks in advance
Appreciate your help
Arpita Rani -
Can we create two POs for the same 3rd party Sales Order?
Hi MM experts,
Issue: Can we create two POs for the same 3rd party Sales Order
In Third party purchase process, first sales order created with a spl. item category and it creates the PR automatically with the Sales order material and Qty and this PR converted PO.
They got a pur.req. for sale order on same item for same delevery date. They did not get any warning msg. saying that a PO was prviously placed against this sale order.
How it is possible that we were able to place another PO? concern is that second PO was palced against SO which was already used & completed. they were able to place 2 POs for the same customer same delevery date. How it is possible?
If anyone face the same issue, please let me know if you have any answer to this questions.
Thanks in advance.
Suresh.Suresh,
It is hard for me to give you a definitive answer since you have created a customized solution.
How it is possible that we were able to place another PO? concern is that second PO was palced against SO which was already used & completed. they were able to place 2 POs for the same customer same delevery date. How it is possible?
Normally, the system will not do this. A third party PR or PO will be 'account assigned' to the Sales order. SAP standard 3rd party will not create additional purchase reqs unless there has been manual intervention. Try searching for changes in the Sales order and changes in the original purchase order. They may give you a clue.
I believe the normal Item category for third party SO is TAS (I am working from memory here, I am not in front of a system). I don't know what ZTAG does. I confess I am not an SD expert. You might also want to post your question in an SD forum.
You mention two custom applications, ZMMPLAN and ZSTPMP. These somehow have functionality that is used to help you convert your PRs to POs. If I were in your position, I believe I would also look at these applications for clues to how they might be contributing to your problem. And please don't send me details about these apps. I will not comment on custom code in this forum.
Sorry I can't be of more help.
Rgds,
DB49 -
Schedule line confirmation date for 3rd party sales( non stock item)
Hi ,
While creating an sales order i have a stock item and 4 non stock items . All the non stok items are similar to 3rd party sales as they are services . While created the sales order for the no stock item the confirmed schedule date is given as 12 days in the future or in one case after month .
Can someone please help me in understanding how the dates are being calculated . I havent created any PO for the non stock items.
I would like the confirmed date to be picked as the system date.Hi,
There can be multiple reasons for this.
You have not mentioned the material type. Anyhow, first check Material Master
Purchasing view> GR Processing Time field
Sales / general Plant > Set up time and processing time field
If MRP views are maintained
In MRP2 View > Scheduling.
In case you do not want availability check to be carried out
Untick Availbility check and TOR check boxes in VOV6 for the schedule lines determined for these materials.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Sharan -
Re: Differentiate Normal Sales vs 3rd Party Sales
Hi all,
The standard system would allow the creation of normal sales and 3rd Party sales under the same Order Type and same Billing Type. It is controlled using the item categories.
As such, I would like to understand how I can use the standard Sales or Billing Report to differentiate the normal Sales and/or Billing document against the 3rd Party Sales.
Please assist.
Thanks.
Rgds.Hi,
The item category will be different for normal sales and third party sales.( TAN & TAS).
To differentiate the sales for normal & third party.
Create a query using VBAK ,VBAP, VBRK,VBRP and give input selection field as item category.
REgards,
KRishna O: -
Departure country determination for 3rd party sales order
Hello,
We are creating a 3rd party sales order and using dummy plants and dummy shillping point. we do not have plants abroad activated.
While creating the intercompany billing doc the departure country is not picked up correctly since we have dummy plant and shipping point.
We want the departure country to be same as suppliers country. and we do not know the supplier details at the point of sales order creation.
what can we do to get the correct departure country during intercompany billing?
Regards,
ShilpaYou can go through OSS Note 308989 - Consulting note for cross-company transactions, which provides details on cross-company with 3rd party sales process. Make sure that the delivery plant added in the sales order is assigned to the cross company code.
Regards, -
Availibility check in 3rd Party sales..
Hi !! Gurus,
How availibility check is done in 3rd party sales.
As material is going from vendor to the customer directly. Whether we have to maintain some storage location saying vendors material ?
Regards,
AtulHi Atul,
There is no standard solution, But most of the clients follow these steps..
maintain vendor storage location or depository - This is similar to reqular storage location.
When vendor updates his stock on weekly basis update your stock in that storage location.
everything similar to regular storage location, but availability and other factors are not as accurate as clients own stock.
Some times clients even follow availability request form procedure too.. In which they will send a form/ just word document to reserve the stock at vendor location. SO will be on block for vendor approval...once they recieve approval from vendor, they will process document.
Let me know, if you have any questions/concerns
Regards
Gopal -
Dear Friends,
Weu2019re configuring 3rd party sales scenario. In VA01 sys was giving err: u201CNot possible to determine a consumption accountu201D. We removed this err by assigning a G/L in OBYC-> GBB-> COA-> 0001VAX3100. Although the error was solved. But our concern is that from which setting the system is picking the key u201CVAXu201D? It was not mov. typ 601. Mat. Type is HAWA.
Plz help.
Thank you.Hi
There are too many threads on this topic
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Third Party order processing in Sales
Third party order in Sales (in case of external procurement)
In this business scenario Company A accept the sales order of customer and asked third company/Vendor to deliver the goods and bills you. Subsequently you raise the invoice to the customer.
In this scenario Material type plays important role. While creating material in material master , material type to be selected as Trading goods and Item category group is BANS in sales :Sales org 2 tab and Procurement type to marked as F in MRP 2 Tab.
Item category - TAS - Maintain Billing relevance in VOV7 as F.
Schedule line category- CS-This is standard schedule line category is provided by SAP for Third party Sales.If you need to change, copy it and make necessary changes.
CS triggers purchase requisition automatically in the back ground when save the sales order.
Assignment - CS to TAS in VOV5 and TAS to your order type in VOV4.
Company A creates Sales order and Saves it. As soon as it is saved Purchase requisition is created in the back ground (Due to schedule line category)and authorized person converts it to purchase order and ask vendor to supply the goods to the customer. The vendor sends the bill to the company A. Company verifies the Invoice and raise invoice to the Customer.
The sequence of T-codes is VA01- ME21N- MIRO-VF01
It is assumed that MM and SD module are in place.
Regards
Raja
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