400 firewire vs 800 firewire

I am purchasing a 500gb external hard drive. I am going to use it for editing home video on final cut express. Right now I am shooting in dv but will switch to hd (I have a sony hd camcord)when a little more practical to burn HD dvds. IS it worth the addional money to go to firewire 800 or will firewire 400 work ok.
Thanks for any input. Karl

Thank you for the advice for the Canon Xl2 camera. I moved the Dv cable to another fireware card I have in my G5. That works great now but I hve a different problem now. I'm using FCE HD 3.0 , during capture the capture stalls around 4 to 5 min. I have two internal drives with plenty of room and 2 external firewire drives. The new one is a LaCie 1tb. I've tried using USB from the large drive, Firewire 400 and 800. It does not make a difference to the capture. I've tried most of the changes you can do under preferences, System Settings and Easy Setup. Ive tried to capture on each of the drives and no luck.
I have plenty of ram 4.5 gig. My my machine is a G5 dual 1.2 machine running OS 10.4.11 now. Is their a glitch with the ver. program I have. I have tried to up date it but they send me to buy a new version. I also tried using my sony TRV 11 video camera also. Same story! Any thoughts. Bob

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I have a Lacie 2TB Big Disk Extreme + Firewire 800 firewire 400 hi-speed usb2 7200 rpm sku 301201u , which I have been using with an emac ( 1ghz power pc 4 , macos 10.5.8 ) for past few years.
A couple of days ago The drive was hit rather hard on side while on and up , the computer hung as the computer was up on a mac os 10.5.8 partition on this drive . Computer was rebooted and comes up on internal drive, lacie drive just made beep and click sounds ( i am actually deaf and this was what I was told ) every couple of seconds. Attempt was made to boot on CD to use latest available disk utility ( Macos 10.5). Lacie still does not show up. 15-20 minutes into this, I powered lacie down. This is when I started noticing a burned circuitry smell.I powered lacie down and disconnected it at this point.
Most Folks just suggest data recovery which can cost as much as $3000 or more which I really don't have .
I figured I open and examine the internalsof drive . I did so. The circuitry smells
like burned near the point where power comes in and the death diode is located, otherwise circuitry looks fine. One of the two drives , when taken out did not have a burnt smell and the other had a burnt smell towards the center but it dissipated in about an hour after it was taken out. There also was one loose screw inside drives chasing which ended up being one of the 4 screws that holds the disk drive's circuitry. I dont know but I don't think this could have shorted anything out but even though slim it is possible that such happened.
While I have Three DC voltmeters, I could not find the one that would accurately measure the voltage on the external power suppy to see if the output voltage on the 4 pins is accurate . I am still looking for the one meter that can do this.
I figured if I can find the exact drive in like new condition and swap the disks, if the disks are not damaged and if the culprit is actually burnt circuitry, then the drives should come up as they were as though nothing had happened.
I talked to a friend that suggested getting other cases and swapping disks but I guess that is not possible because the two disks are raided? ( raid 0 ) . I am also not even sure if the drives are raided the way they were put into use ( only through firewire 400) as the documentation suggests that only firewire 800 denotes use of built in raid0 but I am not sure. So again assumption is made that the drives are raided .
I contacted dealership of the drive which again suggest that Unfortunately it is not possible to obtain another drive like this one because it has been obsolete and out of manufacture for a long time. It is also a risky idea because if the problem is not with the drive enclosure hardware, there is a genuine risk of making the recovery process more difficult, or impossible.
This though does not follow logically. I have been able to see the exact drive with the same sku number offered as new or excellent condition more than 1/2 dozen times in the past few weeks so I guess drive can be acquired and tested before any such swap. If drives are not the culprit , I figure after a swap with a new enclosure and everything other than drives, the thing should not even be noticed and all should work as they did before the accident. If the drives are the cause , then the thing has been on 1/2 hour after the accident so the swap should not do any more damage or cause future recovery attempts any more issues than already might be there.
Any sound advice is greatly appreciated.

I tried the two good disks in the main chasis with new cables and power supply , and I could not get them to come on or show.
I put the good disks back in the second chasis with new cable and power suppy and it again shows ( prompts telling you that it sees a readable MAc OS disk and asks if you want to Initialize it ).
I put the first set together again with new cable and power supply and the light does not come on anymore . being hearing impaired , i put my head on the drive and hear this clicking sound every one or two seconds. The fan operates . The drive does not show when rebooting and it does not show on the disk utility. The drive does not smoke but smell of burned mica ( circuitry ) is still in my throat after a couple of hours.
From what I have learned the possibility exists that each drive is calibrated and the calibration is added to the control board , So like chances are that even if the two original drives are good and connected properly and everything else is good, they might and probably just wont work with a control board of another even exact drive. There are three tables / charts marked on each drive and specific locations marked on each chart which differ between drives . These I think are from calibrating the drives.
So I guess its data recovery...
Lacie Data Recovery wants $600 ( $300 x 2 drives ) if they recover data without need for a clean room , $3000 ( $1500 x 2 drives ) if there is need for clean room. If they don't recover , you dont pay , if they recover and you do not want to pay, then they just send you the damaged disk ( or perhaps keep it , or smash it then return it to you) .
There are many other data recovery services so I guess a few days to sift through them but I guess the maker reference should be the best way ( I think its actually a sub-company that lacie forwards data recovery to.
Too many factors are involved. One that will such be a secure thing to do or 6 months later you find out that someone opened 10 accounts under your name , or emptied your bank account ( thats actually not a problem because there is almost never any money in my bank account) . So security is a concern. I have encountered individuals that make it their business stealing peoples stuff from their disks. Once I even had one Tech guy which was refered to solve a problem I had , copying disks contents right in front of me for absolutely no reason. So I ask him what are you doing, and he says , I am copying everything just to make sure they are safe ( : ) )
Then there is the dalai lama , everything happens for a reason scenario. In which case I guess I have to consider the whole thing as Good Omen. and just forget about it and go on with my life ( maybe I go work in Mc Donalds : ) )
The bottom line is I can't believe that I am such an idiot not to have a proper backup system in place .
Thank you for the links, I will check them out.

Is anyone having a problem connecting 400 firewire thru an adapter for the 800 firewire port on a Macbook Pro 2011? It does a kernel panic every time I connect it. Is there a "proper way" to connect it?

Is anyone having a problem connecting 400 firewire thru an adapter for the 800 firewire port on a Macbook Pro 2011? It does a kernel panic every time I connect it. Is there a "proper way" to connect it? Just in case it makes a difference I am trying to hook up an Avid Mbox Pro for Pro tools.

What is the part number and model of Firewire adapter?
I have used them in the past without any problems whatsoever.
Allan

Simultaneously downloading with the 400 and 800 FireWire on the Mac Pro

During a Mac Pro training Web Cast the speaker related that one could download with both the 400 and 800 FireWire simultaneously, however the speaker never explained how to do that.
How would you go about downloading simultaneously?

The external hard drives have their own power.....turns out that the 400 and 800 firewire busses are the same.....What Apple did was an 800 firewire buss and has 1 port located on the rear of the tower and 2 400 ports (one one the front and one on the back). The 2 400 ports are equal to the 1 800 port, so when you use one 400 port and 1 800 port the 800 port becomes another 400 port. In other words.....I only have 1, 800 buss and not an 800 buss and 2 400 busses....pretty tacky if you ask me......also, I learned that the Canon DV cameras (ZR70MC) is a real hog when it comes to firewire, so, when I have my external hard drives plugged into the 800 buss and the Canon plugged into the 400 buss, it's on overload and their is no buss protocal for who uses what. Which means if the external drives are using the buss the Canon is out of luck......The solution is to install a separate firewire card and plug either the Canon or the drives into it thus freeing up the internal 800 buss for other uses.
The workaround is for me to unplug the power to the external hard drives, plug in the Canon, capture all of my material onto the internal drive, once I've captured all of my files, remove the Canon from the buss, powerup and re-mount the external drives, then, move all of my captured files over to my work space which is located on one of the external drives......what a pain in the butt......but that's the way it works.....

MAC G5 2004 are the 400 and 800 firewire busses interconnected?

When I plug in a DV camera to the 400 firewire buss and go to system profile/firewire, the DV camera doesn't show up.....but, when I turn the firewire hard drives off (pull their power) thus disconnecting them from the 800 firewire buss, the DV camera shows up....
If I have my firewire external drives connected to the 800 firewire port, and the DV camera connected to the 400 firewire port sometimes (not often) the the dv camera works, most of the time it doesn't..... help!
The only way I can get the dv camera to work is to disconnect the firewire hard drives from the computer then all is good in the land of "MAC).....

The external hard drives have their own power.....turns out that the 400 and 800 firewire busses are the same.....What Apple did was an 800 firewire buss and has 1 port located on the rear of the tower and 2 400 ports (one one the front and one on the back). The 2 400 ports are equal to the 1 800 port, so when you use one 400 port and 1 800 port the 800 port becomes another 400 port. In other words.....I only have 1, 800 buss and not an 800 buss and 2 400 busses....pretty tacky if you ask me......also, I learned that the Canon DV cameras (ZR70MC) is a real hog when it comes to firewire, so, when I have my external hard drives plugged into the 800 buss and the Canon plugged into the 400 buss, it's on overload and their is no buss protocal for who uses what. Which means if the external drives are using the buss the Canon is out of luck......The solution is to install a separate firewire card and plug either the Canon or the drives into it thus freeing up the internal 800 buss for other uses.
The workaround is for me to unplug the power to the external hard drives, plug in the Canon, capture all of my material onto the internal drive, once I've captured all of my files, remove the Canon from the buss, powerup and re-mount the external drives, then, move all of my captured files over to my work space which is located on one of the external drives......what a pain in the butt......but that's the way it works.....

800 firewire port

I'm not in the market for a new iMac right now, but I have a question. I know that the new Intel iMacs come with one 800 firewire port and I think 3 USB ports. I daisy chain my external hard drives to the 800 port on my late 2008 iMac so I can leave the 400 port available for my Sony video camcorder. If and when I buy an iMac with only one port, the 800 one, will I be forced to hook the video camcorder to a 400 port on an external and import footage that way? I know Canon cameras have a problem with this workaround, but will I have problems with my Sony?

Thanks for the replies. I know there is a 6 pin to 9 pin cable because I have one. It's just that if there's only one firewire port, it's a pain in the butt to unhook all of my externals and then plug in the videocamera. Then I run into the problem of having to transfer all of the data from the internal hard drive to an external hard drive. I posted this same question in the iMac forum and it was suggested that I get a hub. I'm just curious though, if I daisy chain the externals into the hub, along with the video camera, will that slow things down?

Logic Pro 7. What's the best 800 firewire External H/Drive?

Irie Everyone,
I'm using Logic Pro 7. What's the best 800 firewire External H/Drive to use?
Thanks
Jalion

I am not sure, but I can warn you not to buy the Rosewill enclosure with the Oxford 922 Chip...
http://www.rosewill.com/product/product.aspx?productId=81
That is what I have with a Seagate 160GB, 8MB Cache, 7200RPM, Ultra-IDE hard drive. It's fast, but it has A.D.D. It will fall asleep, even after playing with the hard drive sleep times... Also, it has a slow response time in Logic... I click record, and it takes 3-5 seconds for it to start recording. I get the spinning beach ball of death for that 3-5 seconds... shrugs
My friend bought this drive...
http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/firewire/1394/USB/EliteAL/400+USB2/
And it works perfectly on my computer. No crappy A.D.D... Hope that helps.
~trevor
*Note a few of my best friends have A.D.D. and I hope no one takes offense to that reference... it just seemed VERY fitting in my situation.

I need to connect my old Mac book pro to the new one to transfer files. The old one doesn't have Thunderbolt 2 and the new one doesn't have Firewire 800. Will the Thunderbolt to Firewire adapter or Firewire to Thunderbolt adapter work?

I want to transfer data from my old Mac book pro to my new one using migrate. The old computer doesn't have Thunderbolt 2 and the new one doesn't have Firewire 800. Does the Thunderbolt to Firewire or the Firewire to Thunderbolt adapter work to connect them and transfer data?
Thank you!

Yes, use a Firewire cable and the FW to Tbolt adaptor.

Hi. I have a Macbook Pro Model 5,5 with one 800 firewire port. I need to create two firewire 800 ports but only have an SD card slot (this is for video interface with 2 cameras). Is this possible or do I have to have an express card slot in order to do

Hi. I have a Macbook Pro Model 5,5 with one 800 firewire port. I need to create two firewire 800 ports but only have an SD card slot (this is for video interface with 2 cameras). Is this possible or do I have to have an express card slot in order to do this?

Hi Jessica,
No, the SD slot will not work, you need an ExpressCard/34 slot.
I do not know if it works with cameras, but with two or more HDs, if the first one has two FW ports, you can "daisy chain" one or more additional HDs from it.

Hub for 800 Firewire

I've searched in vain for a 800 Firewire hub to plug into my one and only 800 Firewire on my new i5. I have a regular USB hub, but for saving HD video footage to EHD's the 800 is so much faster. Can anyone help?

Jolly Giant wrote:
i suppose the power brick for the first drive in your chain is getting juice ?
It is plugged in, yes.
There is a big difference between +plugged in+ and running. My microwave oven isn't heating up any food right now, but is plugged in and the clock is on. I wouldn't call that running.
europeans are taught to conserve as much energy as possible and drives that i don't currently use are totally cut off from power ...
JGG

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I need to fish the monitor cable thought the desk and I am having a problem disconnecting the 800 firewire Any suggestions?

Uh, from the PowerMac G5?
Just fish the cable around another way if all three is too difficult for all three to go through the hole in your desk.
Of course you could make a bigger hole.

Conflicts between the FW-400 and FW-800 ports?

Has anyone found a problem when using both the FW-400 and FW-800 ports on the iMac? I have a Tascam FW-1082 connected to the FW-400 port that simply won't work as long as anything is plugged into the FW-800 port. I tired 3 different FW-800 drives and they all crashed the FW-1082. Most unfortunate since the whole reason for buying the 24" iMac (one month before the new iMac's were announced... grrr) was for the FW-800 port.

Greetings.. I have the exact same MacPro that you have. I started a post that has gotten quite lengthy that details a number of firewire issues after Snow Leopard, so maybe your experiences would go well there as well.
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2136580&tstart=0
I have not been able to get a solution to my problem personally by switching devices from front or back, but perhaps there is something to that if they both use a separate bridge controller etc. If you have a Cinema display or the like, have you tried to use the ports on it?
Anyway...
Chris

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If the PRAM battery in your G4 is the original battery and has never been replaced, these batteries only last 5-6 years, max.
Also, the PRAM battery can go bad quickly if the your G4 has not been plugged into power and has been off of direct electrical power for a week or more.
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When an older PowerMac has not been plugged into power, there is no trickle charging of the PRAM battery and this battery can permanently lose its power in a short period of time as it is the only power that is keeping the actual current Parameter RAM active until the battery exhausts itself.
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I have an iPod G2 with a firewire 400 lead. how can I attach it to my new 13 inch Mac book Pro, is there a 400 to 800 firewire converter. USB lead wont work with the Macbook Pro. iPod used as an external drive to archive memory cards on the go.

My G2 iPod that I use as an external drive to archive memory cards on the go cannot link with my new 13" Macbook Pro cause it uses a firewire 400 lead. It will not work with a USB lead. Is there a firewire 800 ipod lead or converter available? Can any one shed some light on this please?

As far as I know, if a harddrive works with a Macpro, it should work with the Macbook: if your Macbook is low on power, plug in the AC adapter
If your Macbook has a firewire port, then it should be fine. BUt i would do somemore research first.

FireWire 400 port to 800 Port?

Trying to migrate data from iBook PowerBook whic has FireWire 400 port to iMac which has FireWire 800 port. My existing FireWire cable does not fit the iMac port. There must be a solution.

Just get a FW800 to FW400 cable or adapter. They are fairly common. They give you a 9-pin to 6-pin change.
Here is an example of a cable...
http://www.pcmicrostore.com/PartDetail.aspx?q=p:10502638;c:100078
Here is an example of an adapter...
http://www.sonnettech.com/product/fw_adapter.html
With the adapter you just plug your normal FW400-to-FW400 cable into the back of it.
Cheers,
Patrick

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