420 BIOS in 415 ??/comparison

I did something that I thought I might have regretted, using the 420 2.7 bios on my 415. It has been working OK so far, however my mem bandwidth scores in sandra 2002 went from 1806/1734 (with 3.1 415 bios) to 1703/1693 (with 2.7 420 bios) The only things in the bios I noticed that were different were the "frame buffer size" and the SPDIF enable function. I cannot disable frame buffer so i have it set to 8MB. I was wondering for comparison what everyone else's mem scores were. I'm running 2x256 crucail pc2100 unbuffered in slots 1+2. I'd really like to be able to go up to AXP 2600+, but I doubt we'll get a 415 bios for it any time soon based on past experience.

[OSF]MDK,
Make sure that Windows has picked up on all the Memory Controllers and coded them as nVidia and not Microsoft Drivers.
That should be why the scores went down.
Richard

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Duron 600, check. No problem there...
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What gets my goat is that MSI SHIPPED this board to me like this. I did NOT do a BIOS update on it.
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Either that, or MSI is putting 420 chips on their 415 boards and just leaving out the VGA header...
What do ya think of them apples?
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I personally think MSI's incarnations of both boards are really identical, minus the parts for video-out.
When I called about a BIOS update when I first got the board with an OEM Beta bios on it, they verified with an engineer before definitively telling me that the 420 Bios wouldn't work.
But now, it all just adds up too well - same motherboard layout, same model number, same features, just missing the VGA output and a few other discrete components, the 420 bios should work as long as you tell it to disable onboard video so you don't waste the framebuffer memory.
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Thinkpad 420s Bios - No RTC utility to self-boot?

Hi there,
I've been looking up and down the Lenovo website for a BIOS update that allows you to set an RTC alarm to wake/boot at a certain time/date. I can't seem to locate it in my Thinkpad 420s BIOS "Power" menu.
Can anyone assist me in looking in the right spot, or is this feature not available with this particular laptop/BIOS combo?
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For some reason i'm not allowed to send personal/private messages? :(
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Using K7N420 BIOS on K7N415?

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Mx 420 clock in bios

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I don't see the point in that as the BIOS has no GUI or user configurable interface.
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Make sure you back up your original BIOS in case you bork it.
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HP CQ61-420 US Forgotten BIOS Password

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Big fan noise problem: the rear fan won't shut off, the BIOS won't update, systemupdate locks up

I received new ThinkStaion (oh boy, lots of memory and CPU speed, yay!)
I unfortunately left the originally installed Vista OS on there. Very much regretting that as I believe it contributes to the following problems (BIOS).
So the original problem was that after just a month of using my new ThinkStation, the System Board died, and it had to be replaced. Honestly, all I did was choose the sleep or hibernate option in Vista to shut down. Afterwards,poof! didn't even get the proper Power lights on the system. I diagnosed this with the online docs and then sat for a few hours on our tech support line doing all the same things to re-diagnose it.
So after the replacement, the rear fan will not shut off. Jet engine noise all day. I went into the system settings and selected "Quiet" for the Fan settings but that did not help.
Research on this forum resulted in the possibility of a BIOS update fixing the problem. Comparison to my co-workers systems which arrived at the same time shows this BIOS is woefully out of date, so even if it does not fix the fan issue I want to update it. However, everything I've tried to do is failing for one reason or another.
(The fan issue does need resolution since in one week I will end up sharing an office (first time in many years, thanks IBM for nothing!) so since I don't want us both to have to wear noise cancelling headsets, I'd like to fix this without having to just pull the @#$@ power to the fan. Grrrr. )
I downloaded what I felt were the appropriate Lenovo apps to update both the BIOS and the serial number but none seem to work properly from the command line in Vista. One of the two (can't recall which) asks me to reboot and it never actually shuts down. Eternal "Shutting Down" message. Ga! The other throws some gosh awful
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eternal reboot
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error 1275 no admin priv - I AM the administrator account, there is no other acct to use!
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So, after reformatting the USB and pounding my head in the wall, keyboard, etc. I am at my wit's end. What to do. I just want the fan noise to go away.
This does seem to duplicate other forum messages but I can't get anywhere on this. Help!
Solved!
Go to Solution.

FYI to all the helpful folks here (and any looking to shut their jet engine off as well): Flashing the BIOS did the trick.
First I had to find a website with DOS OS files and put those on the USB instead of Vista. Oldie but a goodie, but at least it booted! No other versions would.
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Ahhhhhhh.
Thanks to all for the hints - I believe I had gotten the idea of flashing the BIOS to solve this from some other thread I found here. This is a very nice forum to have bookmarked.

Z77A-GD65 Buggy bios Version 10.10

Hello All
I recently got this motherboard and during a bios update through MSI tool M-Flash I faced similar problems as some users reported in other post: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=171694.0
I have made the registration on the forum to share a solution that worked out for me.
I received the board on Bios 10.0, and I installed a Core i7 2600k and 16Gb DDR3 2133Mhz on it. First I run it without any PCI-Ex VGA.
I installed Win 7 64bits Ultimate on a SSD samsung EVO 840 256GB drive without any other drive pluged to the board.
The result was awsome, loading Windows in 10 seconds.
Then i instaled my HD6950 VGA and pluged in all my HDD (2 x 2TB + 1TB +750 MB + 500 MB) and every thing worked like a charm.
Later I thought, I have a very old Bios version, perhaps there is improvements regarding satbility or performance and there was where I mess up.
I updated the Bios to 10.10 through MSI tool M-Flash, the tool finalized the update (there was a progressing bar on the screen) and reboots the system.
Guess what? The system didn't boot and was only showing the hash blinking on the up left corner of the screen.
I switch the Multibios switch to the second bios position and the system got alive again.
After some trys, I was able to boot from the USB drive from where I have installed the OS, and i notice some strange cenario, the Windows installer was able to "see" all the drives, but if I select any one to go on with the instalation, I got a message like "The Windows can not be installed on this drive because a driver is missing" I'm not sure if these were the exactly words but this was the sense of the message.
This was the way I didi it:
1- you need get a good bios file (you can boot with 2nd bios and save it to a file or you can download a diferente version in my case I got the file for 10.8 version). When you download the bios from MSI webpage you get 3 files (7750vAx.TXT, AFUD238S.EXE and E7751IMS.A80 in case of version 10.8)
2- You need to prepare a bootable USB drive with MS DOS or equivalente, for that I have used "rufus-1.4.12" software that you can download on Rufus webpage.
3- After you create the bootable USB drive with MS DOS, copy all the files you got from MSI webpage on the root directory. You can check on a diferente PC or with the other bios if every thing is ok and if the bootable USB is working properlly.
4- Select the BIOS you want to restore with Multibios switch (the phisical switch on the board). (As far as I understood, older boards allows you to boot with bios 1 and after boot you would be able to switch to bios 2 and flash it, on this borad that won't work you will flash the bios from you have booted).
5- Power on your system, entrer the bios and set options to default, save and power off the system. (this is very importante because you can flash a diferente bios with diferente options and if this options won't exists on the version you are instaling the system can hang up and mayby this could be the end for this bios - I'm guessing but is better not to try)
6- disconnect all your sata drives.
7 - Power on the system and boot from the USB drive with MS DOS
8 - Type the folowing comand "AFUD238S.EXE E7751IMS.A80 /S" and press Enter, the software will do a full flash to the bios. Don't power off the system during this procedure otherwise this bios is dead.
8 - After every thing have finished (you should see the promt on the screen C:>\), reboot your system and you should get a functional bios, justo ensure you test it first only with the OS drive and then plug the others.
Note: This board has a multibios function on the Bios that if it is turned on the system will copy the content of one bios chip to the other, BUT, as far as i understood the system wil do a comparison between both chips and will replace the older version with the new one, that in my case would be a problema because the most recente one is the faulty one.
I hope this can help any one who is facing this or similar problems.
Best Regards from Portugal.

Hello,
4th step.
Quote from: nunofilipemartins on 28-January-15, 04:26:38
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MSI 870A Fuzion.... BIOS keeps resetting it self after restart,

HI NOOB here
I've just brought my first ever parts for my first ever computer build.....fitted everything perfectly and booted....
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AND>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Quote from: npm1 on 18-November-10, 22:29:03
it restarts as expected but it doesn't save it........and it continues saying no hard disk detected low battery even though its connected to psu and say IDE....even though i have sata connectors......
just as an extra, a small splat of water went on the board i simply wiped it away........(happened before first boot) would this by any chance affect the bios
Quote
it restarts as expected but it doesn't save it........and it continues saying no hard disk detected low battery even though its connected to psu and say IDE....even though i have sata connectors......
what message exactly you are getting at bios post screen?

[P43 Neo-F] No Pci-e Frequency option in BIOS??

Hi..
I am using a MSI P43 Neo F Board(MS-7519).
Now I am facing the FSB Wall problem of this board and the only solution I have found is to increase Pci-e frequency to 104 as suggested by the main topic about this problem on this forum. But the problem is that there is no pci-e frequency option in my bios. Bios is latest as confirmed by live update software but there is no such option.
Can anyone help me on that?why is that I have the same model but not the same options??

Quote from: Adiel on 13-April-11, 04:02:00
You have not used P43 Neo F I suppose, that mobo does not go above 400 or 415 fsb, search the internet, its a common problem, and the only solution is the one i posted. But why is that the bios of my mobo does not have this option??
Its most likely because the parts are not the same and even if they were they wouldn't work the same.
Like he mentioned already, it works for some and not for others. Its a fickle thing, it isn't a matter of "oh hes better so it works" its more like "his CPU's die isn't as f-ed up as yours is". Something along those lines.

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Quote from: Jack t.N. on 30-April-09, 06:32:24
Hi,
first of all, can you please provide full system specs for comparison? Read the >>Posting Guide<< to get an idea of what we need to know.
Hello Again, first of all I want to thank you for answering so fast. Also I have to apologize for my "not so good" english.
# CPU brand, model and speed (eg AMD Athlon64 X2 5600+ 'Brisbane' core)
DualCore Intel Pentium E2160, 1800 MHz (9 x 200)
# Motherboard model (eg K9A2 Platinum, NOT just MS-7376!!)
P35 Neo2 - MS 7345 V 1.1
http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=1&cat2_no=&cat3_no=&prod_no=1261
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2x1GB Supertalent DDR2-800 DDR2 SDRAM (5-5-5-15 @ 400 MHz) (4-4-4-10 @ 266 MHz) (3-3-3-8 @ 200 MHz)
# Video card brand, chipset type, memory size (eg Gainward Geforce 8800GT 512MB PCI-E)
XFX NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GT (256 MB)
# Hard drive(s) brand, size, type, speed (eg 2x Seagate 200gb SATA150)
WDC WD3200AAKS-00VYA0 (298 GB, SATAII)
# Any other peripheral cards and devices (eg MSI TV@nywhere Plus TV card, MSI PC54G2 Wireless LAN PCI card)
Multi Flash Reader USB Device
Realtek RTL8185 802.11a/b/g Wireless LAN Network Adapter   PCI
# Operating system and version (eg Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 32bit)
MICROSOFT Windows XP Pro SP2 32bit
# Power Supply Unit brand and output in watts and DC output (amps)
Vistuba 550W Power Supply
+3.3 V   35A
+5 V     30A
+12 V   20A
Quote from: Jack t.N. on 30-April-09, 06:32:24
Three important questions:
1. Which BIOS Version were you using before the update.
2. Which Version did you update to?
3. Did you clear CMOS with main A/C power cable removed from PSU after the Update?
1. I'm not sure what bios version come with the board (my misstake) but it was older than I've now.
2. I'm actually using AMI 1.10 Build Date: 11/10/2008
3. Yes I did
Quote from: Jack t.N. on 30-April-09, 06:32:24
Did that problem disappear after the update?
The hard disk problem didn't show any more
Quote from: Jack t.N. on 30-April-09, 06:32:24
What kind of hard drive are you using and what port is it connected to?
WDC WD3200AAKS-00VYA0 (298 GB, SATAII)
it is connected to SATA 5 port acording to Board manual diagram
I've checked hard disk SMART and health and it is ok
Quote from: Jack t.N. on 30-April-09, 06:32:24
- If you have an IDE/PATA Hard Drive:
.....What kind of cable are you using? (40 or 80 wire)
.....Is there any other drive connected to the IDE cable (how are the jumper settings for each drive (MASTER/SLAVE/CABLE Select)?
I Haven't IDE/PATA Hard Drive
I will tell you the story:
I bought the computer and I was using the Blue (Marvel) sata port for the hard disk.
Then a normal day I began to have a very low Windows start so I changed the sata plug to a purple one and the problem disappeared.
Then I began to have the same problem again so I changed the plug again but problem was there anyway so decide to update bios to 1.8 version.
The problem come back randomly and sometimes it disappeared just changing the sata port to wich the plug is connected to.
After that I began to have the "No hard disk present" error and I cleared the CMOS and tried several things until it come to work again.
Few time ago I noticed that was a newer bios version, so then I used Live Update to update bios and drivers again.
Now I'm having the "slow" problem again. I'have been trying several configurations and testing programs but I just didn't find anything wrong.
Edit:
I'm having the first post problem (overcloking message after power on)
I also had a very rare issue few time ago when shutdown the pc: few minutes later it power on by It self !! until I have disabled every wake up event from setup.
I hope you can understand, and thanks again for your help.
Gabriel.

[SOLVED] dual booting windows 7 with btrfs on grub-bios -- core.img

I am trying to install arch in a dual boot configuration with an existing windows 7 partition. I have everything from the beginner's guide done but the bootloader. When I run grub-install it tells me that core.img is too big.
Some googling tells me that this is relatively common with btrfs, and it seems the only work around is to switch to gpt mode and use a grub bios partition. But the info I've seen indicates that I need to use MBR mode to dual boot windows.
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On a MBR partitioned system, grub2 will actually use the first 446 bytes like normal, but will then also use the space that is empty where GPT would sit. This is why when you have a GPT partitioned system, it will require you to create a 1-2MB grub boot partition, as it needs somewhere else to put its bloat. GPT actually still uses the MBR section, but simply creates one large partition covering the whole disk. This is so that tools that are not GPT aware will not think that they have a whole free disk to use as they please.
For comparison, here is whe I get from fdisk:
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WARNING: fdisk GPT support is currently new, and therefore in an experimental phase. Use at your own discretion.
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Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
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3 252168192 488397134 112.7G Linux filesyste arch-btrfs-3
Note that I do use GPT. But that is not the point here. What I am trying to show is where my first partition starts. This is also where fdisk will start partitions these days. This is to ensure compatibility with 4k advanced format disks.
If you are not dead set on Grub2, you could try using syslinux. I really like it much better, though if you are booting more than one Linux, you need to either employ chainloading to various partition boot records, or have a shared /boot. Having a windows partition doens't really matter, as you are simply chainloading to that funky reserved partition anyway.
The other option is to use grub-legacy, which can still be found in the AUR. I actually liked the orginal Grub, as it provided a nice feature set, but was still configurable by hand and it actually fit into the MBR.

Mega 180 o/c comparison

Hi, just wanna asks how many people has successfully o/c thier AMD XP CPU to a 3200+ with 400 FSB on a Mega 180. I had. Mostly I want to know how stable the o/c is and system/CPU temperatures. I just had o/c Mega 180 today. It look stable, but kinda scare about the long effect.
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I just installed a xp-m 2600+ and It's fine at 11*200 Mhz @ 1.57V, I got 1 Go PC3200 with a 9800 pro @ 450/370.
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