4th Gen iPod not working with older ipod speaker docks

Has anyone else had issues when docking a 4th gen ipod to portible speakers or an adapter that works fine with 3rd gen ipods? I've had 2 different things happen... with an alarm clock w/ ipod jack, the ipod will play, but it won't charge. With a travel speaker set for ipod that I use, the ipod won't play or charge. The same thing happens in my car which has a jack for an ipod.. my 3rd gen will play and charge, but my 4th gen will only play.
Any help out there to resolve this?

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