6.0.5 introduces CC-level lost render files to CS6

With 6.0.5, CS6 has joined the ranks of CC, in not being able to retain links to rendered areas of the t-l when warp stabilization is applied to the footage (there may be other conditions as well which cause lost renders, haven't tested) -- not occasionally, but all the time. Render once, and you'll have to render again when the program is reloaded. This was not occurring under 6.0.3 -- at least, not all the time.
And no, I'm not submitting a bug report because 1) Adobe does not formally acknowledge existing anomalies (thereby saving its users a great deal of trouble), much less respond to bug reports, 2) as evidenced by the recent staff participation in the forum, Adobe doesn't appear to read bug reports or forum discussions carefully enough to understand what's at issue, and 3) unless the bug is instantly and easily reproduced, and is relatively trivial, as with the source window behavior in 6.0.4, the fix will take years anyway.

Well, the AVCHD/AVC-intra "bug" (let's not call it a "feature"; I still have hopes Adobe will fix it) has been confirmed by everyone who's actually tested it, with the specified conditions (timelines consisting of short clips or short subclips from short clips) and reported back here. This includes Mr. Simon, though he somewhat understates the laggyness in my view, and doesn't regard it as important (some of us do!). It also includes Eric Bowen, whose [frustrated] customer base must be a useful source of information.
And there are a number of threads on lost renders. For every complainer, there have got to be dozens of users suffering in silence. Or who abandon the product for something else, in frustration.
So we've got one "feature" and one widely reported but poorly understood bug. I wish I knew what you guys are doing to avoid lost renders (assuming, of course, it's not project-specific, which I suspect is the case), but until then one can only hope Adobe fixes it.
Of course, it would be useful to know if Adobe actually acknowledges these issues, and whether it's working on them, if only to save one's breath, but maybe that's too much to expect from Corporate America.

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hello again - just thought i'd throw this into the mix. here's what else i found online...
"Lost renders...fixed ; 6.02 fcp
Lost Render Files for Duplicated Sequences Issue Resolved
In previous versions of Final Cut Pro, rendered items of a duplicated sequence could become unrendered after you reopened a project. In these cases, the render bar indicated that the items were rendered, but the items appeared unrendered during playback in the Canvas. This issue has been resolved in Final Cut Pro 6.0.2." the link is http://www.finalcutpronews.com/2007/11/lost-rendersfix.html if you'd like to check it out...
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I thought that the "lost render files" was an issue that 4.1 was supposed to address. Sounds like it was not, or that there is something else going on.
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What are your Clip's full properties? Any similarity to what Colin mentioned?
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I updated to the latest virsion of premier pro CC and when I opened up my porject I lost my render previews. Now when I try and render it maxes out my ram and crashes. Running 32GB of ram on windows 8 system. Also seems to be having issues with lightroom now, it won't recognize some files it already impoorted, can't open up the folders

Hi,
Since a long time I did not encounter the crash of Media encoder with
long file export.
But I take care of a lot of details before the export :
- clean up Media cache and Media Cache Files within PP CS6 and/or CC,
- delete all render files with Preview Files,
- rendering of sequences until the rendering is completed,
- PP CS6 and/or Pp CC opened during export to AME and/or Encore CS6,
I guessed to leave Adobe but this company remains the last with a
serious authoring software (Encore CS 6).
I tested :
- Avid Media Composer, Final Cut Pro X, both are very good software but
no really authoring software for these video editing softs.
Th only way is to "flood" Adobe with "bug reports" and "wish forms"
which are not very easy to use.
And also to call the Adobe support day by day until they send they
escalate the bug.
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What does 'include render files' option mean for when I duplicate a project. I deselected it and the duplicated file is very slow so maybe this has affected it. It's a shame cause original project is deleted. Have I lost the rendered files? Thanks

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---------------->Acme Widgets Demo (sample project name)
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---------------->Jen's Wedding (sample project name)
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---------------->Acme Widgets Demo (sample project name)
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-DH

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I've returned to this project, and I'm still having similar problems - once I've tried to export a sequence, many (but definitely not all) of the renders are lost on export, or if the export was cancelled.
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