648 max help
Got this mobo working just fine with an Intel 2.53ghz had xp booted up was online with wireless adapter. I went in the bio to do some last minute tweeks and poof. I took off auto on the cpu freq. Auto had set it to 133mhz so i bumped it up to 140mhz. Rebooted the PC and got nothing but a blank screen. Figure well this is making it unstable since i have a blank screen only way i can think of to rest it was to clear cmos. Turned off the power unpluged the PS and set the jumper to clear data. Returned the jumper to keep data, plugged in the PS, hit the power. PC boots up showing the CPU to be a 1.9ghz now and wont detect the Primary master. Punch del to enter set up go through the PCI to AGP hit f10 save and exit PC reboots and brings up a blank screen. Only way i can get the PC to come up is by clearing the bios. It will boot the bios once after this is done, No matter what is done after the 1st cmos reset it will come up blank screen. Even if no setting are changed. The RAM 3 sticks of 512MB from OCsystems PC2700 333mhz DDR. Before I tuned this setting in the bios the system worked fine. With the exception it would hang for a while on the Pri master when booting but would detect it and then boot. Have tryed everything I can think of, tore the system down from scratch and tryed just booting with nothing but the mobo ram and AGP card. Any ideas out there? The mobo gives of 2 beeps when the CMos will load and after it will no longer load it will only give the power on beep. PSU is 400watt.
Have you tried stepping the RAM timings down? I've had terrible trouble getting my Corsair sticks to work in the damn thing and I eventually found that setting the RAm to CL2.5, MA2T and 'normal' timings sorted it out. If any of the settings are "By SPD" or "Auto" (except the frequency, that should be OK), then try changing them to the values above. If that doesn't work try stepping down to 133MHz (DDR266). Apparently MSI are aware of some serious RAM timing issues that hopefully will be sorted soon.
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MSI 648 Max - help???
I Bought the MSI 648 Max (HT ready) in April this year...
Link
Now i would like to buy a new cpu, and i was looking at getting a 3ghz, but the board details state that it can support a 2.8 and up??? what is this "and up"??
Should i just go for a 2.8???
any suggestions would be great!
"Supports Intel® Pentium® 4 processor in the 478 pin package.
Supports FSB at 400/533 MHz (100/133 MHz QDR)
Core frequency from 1.3 GHz to 2.8 GHz and up"The Proccessor that i was looking at..
Intel® Pentium 4 3.06Ghz / 512K / 533FSB 478-pin (Boxed)
New P4 revision based on 'Northwood' 0.13 micron core +
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Sound Problems with MSI 648 Max ( MS-6585 ) Board - Help !!!
Hi,
i have the MSI Mainboard: MSI 648 Max ( MS-6585 ) and when I put on the microphone i have a bad sound on my soundboxes like scratching or beeping.
I have installed a new BIOS update and new Sounddrivers.
I have Win2000 with SP3.
Anybody can help me???
THX ;(Error404,
I since you have a 648 Max and you posted in the Multimedia Forum, I moved the thread to PIV Motherboard Forum for you.
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MSI 648 max problems, please help
Just put a new machine together and I am having some problems, hopefully someone can help.
My machine seems to run pretty stable in OS, but dies when any game is played. It will crash anywhere from 2 minutes - 45 minutes in the game. Ive tried several games: C&C generals, unreal2, etc with the same results.
Bios are updated and nothing is overclocked. Win XP is fully updated.
Specs:
MSI 648 max, 533fsb
p4 2.4 northwood
Seagate 80gig hd 7200rpm
MSI g4 ti4200
2 - 512mb pc2700 ddr333 dims (double sided)
Antec 350w ps
sb live
48x liteon cdrw
16x liteon dvd
We are using a Kingwin KT-436S-WM case
http://www.kingwin.com/product.asp?cid=15&pid=75
It has a total of 5 fans with intake/exhaust
HSF currently being used is the retail box HSF
With the case sides on, here are temps at idle after 10 minutes in OS:
Proc: 136
System: 91
Vid card: 118
With the case sides off, here are temps after running 10+ minutes in OS:
Proc: 125
System: 86
Vid card: 114
Here is the error that pops up (after crashing) when playing Command and Conquer: Generals:
Technical Difficulties
Sorry a serious error occured
Thanks in advanceWell my roomate cancelled the memory test after 12 hours, so I dont know those results.
I do know that after removing 1 of the DIMMS, the machine seemed to be stable playing games.
I sure wish MSI would have stated it only accepted 1 double sided DIMM.. especially when the reccomend Kingston ram, which is double sided......
Me and my roomate BOTH bought this motherboard, while my roomate only bought 2 DIMMS of 512, I bought 3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So now it looks like we need to return these motherboards and get new ones... I HAVENT EVEN GOT MINE OUT THE BOX!!!!!!!!
Any reccomendations on an MSI motherboard (or any) that support double sided DIMMS? I am looking for 3 slots...
thanks...
Any other advise on how to get this motherboard to work with all this ram would help too, so we dont have to RMA through newegg....
Anyone from MSI read this board?????
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Help for SIS 648 MAX-L Startup Problem
I just bought an MSI-648MAX-L, a 2.4GHz cpu and a Jaton GeForce4 TI4200 card. Installed all of the above + PC2700 512 MB RAM and a WD 80GB hard drive, floppy and CD. Turn on the power and my screen flickers all four of the diagnostic leds light up green and then nothing. I hear the hard drive spinning and the CPU fan and video card fan but nothing else. Tried one other AGP video card and a PCI video card but nothing on the screen. Seems like the BIOS is not loading. So I turn the computer off and set the BIOS reset jumper. Turn it back on again and still nothing. Checked all the connections, the seating of the CPU and tried again, still nothing. Any idea what might be wrong?? I hope I don't have to buy another MotherBoard and also I hate the idea of removing my CPU once installed. ;(
Thanks for your help..
Kumar.What kind of video card is it?
If it's a radeon 9700 pro, look in one of the other threads on this site to figure out what revision you have, rev 1.1 or 1.2 9700 pros will not work on some 648 max boards ( well for me it was 648 max L im not sure about the 648 max but im assuming it has the same problem.
What happens with radeon is since the mobo sets the agp automatically, and there is the 8x bug the system doesnt boot. But the card will work fine on machines that have 4x, In this case RMA the card to radeon and make sure to specifiy that you get a 1.3 rev.
Otherwise you stated you have tried other processors and memory that were "known" to be good.
DDR 400 or DDR 333 memory? -
Hi, i figured after months of specualation i would try to figure out what the hell is wrong with my pc. 12months ago a bought a MS-6585 648 MAX mobo and a P4 2.53ghz with 2x Samsung DDR 333 (PC2700) ram. I play many games on my pc it seems when playing Counter-Strike + PlanetSide results in random instant restarts. Occasionaly it will just hang the system but mainly instant reset of the system. My cpu temp ranges from 35 48 max approx.
I've tried switching my ram to different slots and so on refit everything but with no luck. I just have a very unreliable computer atm. I've reformated plenty of times but with no joy, the odd thing is its random somtimes my pc will not crash or reset it self so this makes it very difficult to figure out what the hell is going on :S
If you have more questions perhaps i can answer them - and give you more info that i have forgotten.
Here are somethings that might be useful:
MS-6585 648 MAX mobo
Pentium 4 (northwood) 2,53ghz 533
Samsung DDR 333 (PC2700)
Gigabyte Maya II Radeon 9700Pro (running in agp 8x)
Sound Blaster Audigy 2 Platinum
Bios settings: (things ive changed)
Turned onboard sound off than auto
AGP Apeture size 128
I have 32bit transfer mode running for hdds
I have S.M.A.R.T. enabled
(next week end i will have another 512 ram stick to try just incase its my ram but i have done the intel ram checker and it didn't find any problems)
Any help would be greatly appreciated pls ask any things ive missed and anything else u would need to know. I really want to sort this out as you can imagine its not very nice having a pc that can randomly crash when u do not expect it.Overclocking is typically limited by one of 3 factors, assuming you have sufficient power:
1. Memory won't operate past a certain speed, so you run at a different ratio or buy faster memory.
2. Temperature, so you need to add non-stock cooling or better case ventilation or water cooling, depending on how far you want to go
3. CPU - At some point the CPU won't run any faster.
Leave the CPU voltage at Auto. You should only need to raise it if you get into extreme overclocking.
As for the size of the power supply, if you stay with Intel Northwood with an ATX board on your next upgrade, an Enermax 465, Antec 480, or something similar (should cost around $80-100US) would get good choices. If you plan on going with a Prescott on an ATX board, I would look at going to a 550W supply.
Personally, I thing the next 12 months is shaping up to be a real headache in making upgrade decisions in the Intel world. Intel have indicated their next generation of boards will be BTX without AGP support. This looks like an upgrade could mean new case, possibly power supply, video card and possibly ram. I am hoping that companies like MSI will produce a transitional product that allows new processors and chip sets on an atx board. If that doesn't happen I see a lot of people switching to AMD. -
MSI 648 MAX Red diagnostic leds Help
Hi
Please help me !!!
I have the 648 MAX mainboard with MSI G4MX440-VTD8X. The CPU is P4 2.4 Ghz PC 533 and TwinMos DDR-DIMM PC3200 512MB DDR CL2.5 in Bank 2 . OS XP prof. Final ed.
The two upper diagnostic led are weak red ??? I have checked the hard disc settings several times, but nothing is wrong there ??
I have never seen a green diagnostic led, the other is are not lighting at all (black), only red ones ???
I have looked from power on to working pc and thy are just blubering a litle to finaly two upper red ones ???
This is the hottest hardware you can get so I set the Bios to opimal fast settings, but then all was black?? I hac to use the bios reset dip switch to get it back to working condition. What is wrong ?? It says on your web site that the mainboard do support DDR 400 ??
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=355&MODEL=MS-6585
I can use the computher but I am not pleased with the two red diagnostic led ???
I cant get any help here in norway because no one seems to bodder??
These hard ware has a cost of 1100 $ for me, so I need to get it right please ??
Regards
Eivin Hjornevik
Bergen
NorwayHave some suggestions on what to do, but I'm not sure it will help. If enyone else has something feel free..
It's seams like you have had the PC up and running, and that's good.
Regarding the diagnostic led's I can only suggest that you double check the connection to the board. (They all should either be green or red when booting).
Even though it's hot hardware, loading the optimal fast setting is not the same as getting the best settings for your system.
Regarding DDR400 and 648Max they didn't officially support it when they released the board, but they now do. I would suggest you check your version of the board. (I have ver 1.0 produced sept. 02, and my DDR400 has to be run as DDR333 to function properly).
You don't say anything about your psu, but it should be above 200W combined.
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Help. 648 Max-L, AGP, Memory, and instability
Everyone -
I just built my first computer and I need help here. This is what I got:
MSI 648 Max-L MB
Corsair 1x512 MB DDR333 (slot 1)
SapphireTech ATI 9500 Pro 128 MB (64MB AAP)
P4 2.4 ghz
This all started when I installed the OS then tried to play battlefield 1942. the game would load fine and 5 minutes in the game would crash to the desktop without any errors. I realized I never installed the MB Sis AGP drivers. I did so and updated the drivers from ATI (when the card is from Sapphire), and errors galore started to surfaces.
I re-installed the OS and the MB drivers. I then installed the AGP drivers from the SapphireCD. I installed the Sis AGP Driver from MSI. I am getting constant errors trying to open windows on the desktop. Everything from folders, msie, notepad, etc. My Event viewer shows errors like "a thread could not be created for this service".
I also noticed dxdiag showed Texture Acceleration as "Not Available". How is that?
I am at a lost here guys. Is my video card bad? is it my memory?Everything is working.
THe fix was to turn OFF fast writes AND uninstall the AGP MB drivers. No idea why this is...
I have the ATI card drivers, I just do not have the MoBo AGP drivers. I also put in Directx 9.
you gotta check this out...
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6481129~root=hard~mode=flat
explains pretty well -
648 max + 9700 boot issues - help
hi
i have a radeon 9700 (rev 1.3) and the 648 max - L and everything is working fine when i am in windows but sometimes when i cold boot i get no screen and it doesnt sound like i am booting up. i do see some hard drive activity but thats about it. i try reset and sometimes it will work and others not, also when i install a program that needs to reboot sometimes it wont - basicaly the same problem as cold boot.
i have a enermax 430 and so i doubt it is a psu problem, also like i said when i am in xp i have been able to play 3d games and run 3dmark and have yet to have any crashes.
anyone have any solutions or suggestions as to what the problem is and how to fix it?
Ok MSI called me back finally, I explained situation and told him that i have read other people with 0209 boards have had the same issues.
He is cross shipping me a new 648max-L board I asked about it being backordered because of reading this thread and he said it should be shipped today or tomorrow so maybe they got boards in? Or maybe they modified a board that they are going to send me?
He originally wanted me to send mine back and they would send me out a new one but i told him that i have no place to store the processor for that long of a time and i would be without a computer so he took my credit card number and put a hold of 100 dollars on it, once they receive my old one i will be credited.
So all in all, i will be getting a new mobo and rev 1.3 radeon 9700 pro and i should be ready to go.
Here is an email i received from MSI for those of you that are worried about resolving these issues.
Dear Paul,
I've just confirmed this with my collegue and he said that the first shipments need to be reworked. Please send the board over to me directly and I'll take care of it for you. Please include your address and make sure you get a tracking number for the package.
Attention: Peter Hong
MSI Computer
901 Canada Court
City of Industry, CA 91748
Sincerely,
Peter Hong
http://www.msicomputer.com
MSI is your TOP choice for DDR Solutions!
E-mail: [email protected]
1.626.913.0828
1.626.581.7721 Fax -
Degauss prob. w/MSI 648 Max pls help
PC spec. below.....message
Everytime I restart my monitor from Xp or when leaving the bios, my monitor does a degauss. And it gets very irritating X( when you fx. reinstall your PC from start.
The "light" on the monitor also goes from green-orange-green as if it had been shut down.
Have tried conn. the monitor to my other system, and here there are only degauss when i power my pc up.
Have also tried another MSI TD4200 as I have simular in my other PC. no effect at all...
A friend of mine got same PSU and Monitor and his system also degauss only when he power up the PC.
Have anybody ?? noticed a simular problem before, and if what's the "cure".....
To me it "smells" like a bios problems,,,,,,,,,but I be mighty happy to ANY other suggestions.
PC SPEC AS Follows
P4 2,4 533 w/box cooler
MSI 648 MAX
PSU VIP 450w w/an average power on 250w
2x256 Pc2700 Apacer
MSI GF4 TD4200 64mb
ASUS CD
Liteon CDR/W
WD 80gb JB 8mb cache
Monitor AOC 9KLR "new" versionNever the less it does........have tried the VGA card in another PC, and here there are no degaussing.....have also tried another VGA card,,,,,,,,,same deal mate! ?(
Problem is prob. related to the mobo power management......or the comb. of hardware........
I have tried changing every components exept CPU/Memory/Mobo with no changes..........
So to me i'm sorry to say it's looks like a faulty mobo or some mismatch in the bios settings.......... ;(
73/CT -
I recently built my new system
P4 2.4ghz
MSI 648 MAX-L
80gig Maxtor HDD
256 mb PC 2100DDR RAM
Radeon 9000
Soundblaster Live 5.1
I tried to install Windows XP Pro but my system hangs up at "setup is starting windows xp" in the BSOD. Since then I've installed Windows 2000 Pro (although it is running with many errors). Every time I try to install Windows XP with a clean install my systems hangs up at the BSOD, if I try to an upgrade install I get various error messages but I am never successful at fully installing Windows XP.
Please help me if possible....... X(Here are my RAM settings in my bios:
cas latency - by speed
DRAM timing - normal
MA 1t/2t - MA 1t
AGP Aperture Size - 128m
CPU/DRAM Frequency - by speed
DRAM Frequency - 133mhz
DRAM Voltage - 2.5v
I'm using 256mb PC2100 DDR RAM. -
MSI FX5900 Ultra 256 MB and MSI 648 MAX
I have just installed my new FX5900 Ultra graphics card and when ever the card runs any 3D application for more than a couple of minutes, my PC will instantly shut down. The only way I can get it back up, is to remove my power cable from the PSU and wait about 20 seconds and then the PC will boot again.
I have checked the temperature of the card before and after the shutdown; and the latest Nvidia reference drivers show a GPU core temperature of 37 C. In addition, if I put my original GeForce 3 back into my computer, I experience no problems.
Looking on the internet, I have come across other people who have had a similar problem and this was resolved by changing the AGP slot to run at 4x rather than 8x. I have gone through the 648 Max BIOS and am unable to find anywhere where I can step down to 4x AGP.
Any Help Will Be Greatly Received.
Regards,
MacrossThanks for your help guys. Whilst I have not been able to pick up my new powersupply, I have removed the Q-Tec 400W and put my old 300W PSU back, and guess what?? My PC has not shutdown since.
This power supply lark is totally new to me, and it does seem that a good quality 300W PSU can be better than a average 400W. I have never looked at the 3.3, +5 and +12 before, just the total wattage. Well, you do live and learn. Though it would have been nice if MSI put information like this in the manual of the card, or the WEB FAQ's.
I shall pick up my new 520W PSU on Saturday. Then I can put this new 5900 Ultra through its paces!!
Thanks
Macross. -
MSI 648 Max - Display Problems
I recently bought the MSI 648 Max motherboard, as my system needed an upgrade quite badly. To cut the costs down a bit, I’ve used some parts from my previous system (eg the video card which is an 2x AGP, 64 Mb, Kyro based card) but got new RAM, CPU and psu.
I put together the system (described below), loaded Windows ME, updated all drivers with latest releases, and the thing works but the quality of the display is really bad ;( . That is, I get lots of video artefacts (shadows, fading text, vertical lines, distorted colours, etc). The video card was working fine on my other machine. Also, Sisoft Sandra says that the card is operating at 2x AGP, as it should.
I am not overclocking; some of the BIOS parameters I used are as follows (based on the OPTIMAL DEFAULTS):
AGP Aperture Size 128 Mb
DRAM CAS Latency by SPD
Timing Setting Mode NORMAL
MA 1T/2T Select AUTO
Primary Graphics Adapter AGP
Allocate IRQ to PCI VGA NO
CPU/DRAM Frequency Ratio by SPD
DRAM Frequency 167 MHz (for now)
CPU Frequency 133 MHz
AGP/PCI Frequency 66/33
DRAM Vcore 2.6 V
CPU Vcore AUTO
The system temperature showed in the Health Status is less than 40 C (104 F).
I have tried the latest AMI BIOS (version 1.3), and then reverted to version 1.0, but I still have the same display problem.
I would really appreciate some help.
Ciao
mystro
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Windows ME (v4.90.3000)
Pentium4 CPU 2.4 GHz (133x18.0), FSB 533 MHz
MSI SIS648 Max (MS 6585) ver. 1.0
2 x 256 MB Corsair DDR400 (CMX256A-3200C2, CL = 2-3-3-6-T1,
Hercules 3D Prophet Kyro 4500 TV Out (Kyro I not II) 64 Mb, AGP 2x, 175/175 MHz
IBM 40GB 7200RPM UATA100
Mitsubishi 40x CD-Rom
Yamaha 8424S CD-RW
Adaptec 2930U SCSI card
Eagle 350W psu, 190W (combined 3.3V & 5V)boards agpx4 and 8 only so i dont advise using that card
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=355&MODEL=MS-6585 -
Hi,
I have put three GB of RAM in a PC containing a MSI 648 Max motherboard.
The memory is 3 * PC2100 1GB of Samsung 266 DDR RAM. I've ran memtest
(http://www.memtest86.com) to test the chips to test the chips individually
and in blocks of two. The machine runs fine with up to 2GB, but fails
when all three are in.
I have two identical machines (and two sets of 3GB RAM), which exhibit the
same problem, memtest failing at the same time.
The machines run P4 2.4Ghz processors.
Can you help?
Thanks in advance
EwanHello
Goto the following link and see if this can give you some insight. Scroll down to the bottom of the page and it will give you configurations for that board. Good luck
http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/config/modelsinfo.asp
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Originally posted by the_boat
Hi,
I have put three GB of RAM in a PC containing a MSI 648 Max motherboard.
The memory is 3 * PC2100 1GB of Samsung 266 DDR RAM. I've ran memtest
(http://www.memtest86.com) to test the chips to test the chips individually
and in blocks of two. The machine runs fine with up to 2GB, but fails
when all three are in.
I have two identical machines (and two sets of 3GB RAM), which exhibit the
same problem, memtest failing at the same time.
The machines run P4 2.4Ghz processors.
Can you help?
Thanks in advance
Ewan -
MSI 648 Max and ipods? Prob's connecting.
Please can anyone help?
I have a MSI 648 Max board with on-board usb2 and have problems connecting to my 4G 20Gb iPod. I'm pretty sure it’s the USB connection that is the problem. Has anyone else had this? Can anyone suggest anything to help? This is my last port of call before I’ll have to folk out for a Firewire card which I really don’t want to do.
Thanks.Thanks for replying .
I have used USB for a number of devices (Printed/Mouse/DigiCam) and have never had any noticeable problems. I’ve tried the disconnecting thing and it didn’t seem to have any effect.
I thought it might be something to do with iPod’s not liking on-board USB and decided to post a topic here to see if anyone else has had a similar problem. Doesn’t seem to be much talk of iPod’s though. I wondered if MSI knew of any problems.
I have been around a few iPod forums but not many people seem to be using on-board USB.
Keep the suggestions coming though. Thanks.
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