655max: video CRASH with agp 8x RADEON 9700 pro

Hi I own a 655max mobo and a radeon 9700 pro. I play games direct3d OK with agp 8x, but when I play Quake 3 Arena for about 15 to 30 min my video crash. I changed the agp 8x to 4x and everything works fine, but the framerate slow down seriously.
My system:
P4 2.6 @ 2.8
1024 MB DDR400 samsung Memory
WD 80 GB ATA100 7200 RPM
Ati Radeon 9700 pro
Sound Blaster Audigy 2
Please help !

ok i just tried to do that kaigon and the strangest thing happened, my system will not respond or start up with radeon in now... it will however if i leave the supplemental power plug off of the radeon, it starts, then gives me the error telling em to connect it, then when i connect it and hit power...nothing. pop in my old gf2 and fires right up, i dont understand this at all especially because the first time i turned my system on was with the radeon, with supplemental poower plugged in. i tried everything i could think of in the BIOS to straighten this out, but nothing, any more help would be awesome! thanks.

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Thanks for responding Sean,
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The other computer's video drivers are were the standard windows vga drivers. I don't think that really is a problem since I can't get the computer/power supply to even come on, let alone load windows.
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655max: video CRASH with agp 8x RADEON 9700 pro

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