754 Boards vs. Socket A motherboards

Does it make sense, if my Socket A Sempron 2400+ is fried to get a system board/bundle with a 754 socket. They seem to be a little bit more money, but not much. In other words, it is still cutting edge, but not bleeding edge!
Someone at the local computer store said that I will not be able to upgrade in the future to an AMD Athlon 64 series, if I purchase an MSI K8TNEO-FSR Via Socket 754 w/Sempron 3000+
What say you?

Welll both the Socket A and the Socket 754 are getting phased out. Socket A is going to be a little sooner. There are some definite performance gains going to Socket 754, but it may be worth it to save up a little money and go with a Socket 939. This is AMD's cream of the crop (for now) and it supports all the latest AMD's. Plus if you go with an Athlon64 you will see another large performance increase. The downside with sempron is it was designed to compete directly with Intel's Celeron. So it doesn't have all the bells and whistles of AMD's mid to high end lineup. As far as upgrading a socket 754... you can. But AMD is not releasing any more Athlon64 for that socket. They are focusing more on the 939 and the upcoming M2.
My recommendation... save up a little more and go with an Athlon64 socket 939.
Good Luck
Jeremy

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Michael McManus, DigiTimes.com, Taipei [Wednesday 6 October 2004]
Silicon Integrated Systems (SiS) is making inroads into the AMD chipset market and will increase its efforts by releasing a number of PCI Express (PCIe) chipsets for the AMD K8 platform, beginning in November, according to the company.
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Socket 754 boards don't support dual channel?

my motherboard listed below does not support dual channel? i thought it did =[ I just bought some corsair xms 3200 DC 2x512 sticks to replace my 1x512 mushkin. Should I leave in the mushkin with my xms?
btw if it matters.. im not OCing, and my psu sucks..

sorry about the IM i was taking a nap LOL, anyway if you want more ram go ahead and mix them as the dual channel wont matter for you. Yes you would need a new Mobo and socket 939 cpu to get diual channel

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Its been 7 months since i ahve been using this board. Now when i go to turn it on this very morning...The ps2 mouse and keyboard will not work and i smell a burning smell when its booting. I unpluged it and unhooked all cables tot he pc. I am now on my old gateway 2000 and i need help. What do i do?

Well the burning smell could be dust or some such as this has been sitting for a while. However I would start with a visual inspection to see what the problem is. Check and see if any wires look toasted, pull the cards and even the MB and look them over carefully. If you don't see anything then set the MB out on some cardboard and just hook up what is needed to post. Retry it and see if you can watch during that inmitial stage to see what is happening. Worst case take the whole rig to a tech and have them look it over if you are concerned with risking any problems. Safty first always.

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Old Socket A motherboards and new cards like 7800GS and 6800GS

Me and my girlfriend have the systems that are writen in my signature and the 2 comps work fine and no problem there but i would like to try and upgrade the graphic cards a bit so i heard that they hade done new versions of 6800 and 7800 for agp8x and they are called 6800GS and 7800GS and i was thrilled and i was almost ready to buy one 7800GS for me and one for my girlfriend when i read on the net that there is a risk that the card wont work on my computer cause my old socket a board chip wont work with the new style of graphics card but i wonder we all ready run with the 6600 cards and arent they from the new line of graphic cards ??
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Choosing the right Socket A motherboard

I'm about to purchase a replacement motherboard for my dads computer and the place I'm going to buy it from have several MSI boards. What I want to know is which one would be the best choice compared to what it will be used for.
The computer won't be used for gaming, SATA isn't necessary as he has an IDE HD, it's used for browsing the web, work, looking at digital pictures etc. No overclocking will be done. Dual Channel RAM support would be nice.
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I now have everything installed. Only problem is USB is behaving strangly, it won't boot up with a hub attached but will with all devices connected via the 4 USB ports instead, though it seems slower getting into windows for some reason with USB attached. I'm sure there's a sticky for this somewhere, anyone know where?
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Any news about MSI's socket 939 NF3-250 board?

I hope to see something like the socket 754 board, that had a special care from MSI. I'll grow real mad if MSI doesn't go with Nforce 3 250 for socket 939, relying on the fact that VIA's new chipset will have a PCI fix.

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Originally posted by SAB
I keep hearing "in a month", but I also have read "later this year" - whichever it is, I figure that I won't build a Socket 939 until the motherboards have been updated to support DDR2, PCI Express, etc. The Socket 939 from MSI will migrate it's nForce3 250Gb from the Socket 754 board.
DDR2 might be a problem because the memory controller is inside the CPU.
I heard that is why AMD has no plans of switching to DDR2 anytime soon.

Socket 939 v 754

When deciding between socket 754 athlon 64 3400+ and the socket 939 3500+ (for all intensive purposes the focus is gaming) is there much of a performance difference, be it due to the cpu or the M/B, or the combo of the two?? I would like to use the newer boards which are 939, but the specs seem to be almost identical, yet much cheaper to go with a 754 board with a 3400 2.2ghz chip vs a 939 board with an athlon 3500 2.2 ghz chip.
Also, any real benefit for gaming with 512kb v 1MB cache, or is this mainly benchmarking performance upgrade where in real life the effect is basically nil?
Thank you, Mark
No system info to post about yet will be using windows 98 SE for a month then will get XP home SP 2.

1)939 Dual Channel gives between 2-5% better performance Memory over 754
2)New 90nm 64CPU are only 939pin They run cooler & lower voltage than previous 130nm fabrications and are very overclockable. RElatively Cheap 3200 939 90nm is about £21/$35 more than 3200 754.
3) Only real d/side for 939 is perhaps memory config. Makes more sence on both 754 & 939 to go with 512Mb modules, thats fine on 754, but you wont get the benefit of dual channel without putting 2 modules in. Therefore you have the cost of an extra module. You could get 2x256mb but thts probably a false economy.
Over the last 2 months since I built my rig ,the price differential between the 754 and 939 has narrowed to the stage where If i were buying today I would go 939.
Hope this Helps.
But then there's Nforce 4 939 coming up any day with extra goodies - PCI-Express, Sata 2.
Where do you draw the line

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I'm searching for a socket A motherboard that accepts 1 GB of Infineon (HP licenced) 333 Mhz REGISTERED memory. Nowhere do I read anything about this sort of info on sites of literally any site.
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Thanks for your input so far.
Why reg memory. Because I was offered the above mentioned stick for € 100,- which is an incredible deal. So I bought it, not thinking about the consequences. Finding a board on socket A (for my mobile 35W 2400) is whiningly difficult if not impossible if it is to feed with reg mem. So hence my question to you folks.
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Socket 754 vs. 939

I'm buying a new board and want to know what the difference is between a socket 754 and a socket 939 which shoul I go with?

Socket 754 vs. 939:
Socket 754 CPU:
Single Channel Memory only
64bit DDR SDRAM at 100, 133, 166, and 200Mhz
Three DIMM's supported
800Mhz Hyper Transport Bus Speed
Runs hotter than socket 939 cpu's
Consumes more power than socket 939's
Socket 939 CPU:
Dual Channel Memory
128bit DDR SDRAM at 100, 133, 166, and 200Mhz
Four DIMM's supported
1000Mhz Hyper Transport Bus Speed
Runs cooler than socket 754 cpu's
Consumes less power than socket 754's
The new socket 939 cpu's now support dual-channel memory configurations. Socket 754 users are tied down to using single-channel memory. The addition of dual-channel memory ability effectively doubled the memory bandwidth of the on-die memory controller. Remember, the Athlon64 cpu's do not have to reply on a northbridge to transfer memory and graphics data to and from the cpu. This, in theory, results in much lower latency and higher bandwidth. Socket 754 cpu's support 64bit DDR SDRAM at 100, 133, 166, and 200Mhz. Now the socket 939 cpu's support 128bit memory at the same frequencies, so you can see the obvious advantage there. The newer socket 939 cpu's memory controller also supports up to four unbufferred dims, whereas the socket 754 solution only supported three. The 939's also benefit from a faster Hyper Transport bus speed(read front side bus). Socket 754 was limited to 800Mhz or 3.2Gb/sec in each direction but now 939 cpu's get a full 1000Mhz or 4Gb/sec in each direction. Generally speaking, the 939 cpu's are running cooler than their socket 754 counterparts, I would say mostly due to the fact that the socket 939 cpu requires less voltage. So, as you can see there are several reason's why a socket 939 Athlon64 cpu may be the better buy when compared to socket 754, especially considering the price difference is hardly even $50 on average from 754 to 939 in the same class, i.e. 3200+ socket 754 vs. 3200+ socket 939.
taken from
http://www.amdreview.com/reviews.php?rev=3000-3200-90nm

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