785GTM-E45 Shutdown / Power on problems

Hello MSI forums, I recently purchased a 785gtm-e45 along with a Phenom X2 555 BE and I ran into a strange problem. When I first put the computer together it would not power on. I had to turn the power supply switch off for at least 10 seconds then flip it back on and power on. If I shutdown from windows, or hit power while it's booting up, the same problem occurs, it doesn't want to power back on without flipping the switch off.
I also doubt it's my power supply , seasonic 430watt, because my last system was an intel e2180 oc'd to 2.8ghz, ati 4830, now it's just the 555be no video card.
Also, has anyone been able to overclock with this board? I got my my 555 BE from 3.2 to 3.8ghz and crashed after prime95 for 3 hours, thinking it's my ram.

My apologies for the first crappy post, here are the full specs.
CPU : AMD Phenom X2 555 BE @ 3.20 GHz
MB: MSI 785GTM-E45 - Bios Version 8.3
RAM: 2 x 2GB G. Skill F2-64000CL5D-4GPBQ PC2-6400 CL5-5-5-15 1.8V - 1.9V
HDD: Intel X25-V 40GB and Seagate 7200.11 1TB
GPU: Sapphire Radeon 4830 512mb
PSU: SILVERSTONE ZEUS ST65ZF 650W 12V - 55 amps
OS: Windows 7 32 Bit
Also runs 2 x 120mm fans.
I put in the Silverstone power supply and I am still running into the same problems as the Seasonic power supply which has less amps and wattage. If I restart my computer it is fine, but if I hit shutdown then try powering it on, it does not work.
I have to turn the power switch on the PSU off for about 10 seconds before flipping it back on and powering up.
Any help or advice would be appreciated. Thank you.

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785GTM-E45 RAM problem

I've bought the board last February and paired it with dual channel 2GB (1GB x 2) Team Xtreem Dark DDR2-1066 CL 5 rams. Everything worked flawlessy.
Yesterday, I purchased a 4GB (2GB x 2) G.Skill DDR2-1000 CL5 rams to replace the Team Xtreem. I inserted the modules, turned the power on, but the system wouldn't post. I made a bios reset and and still the system won't post. I tried to troubleshoot the problem and found out that Slot 1 won't accept either of the 2GB modules. I used Slot 2 and stress tested both rams (one at a time) and both worked fine.
Currently I'm back with the Team Xtreem setup.
Are there any compatibility issues on the G.SKill RAMS? Do I have to update the board's BIOS to make Slot 1 accept the 2GB RAM? Any advice is greatly appreciated.
My system's spec by the way is:
Processor: AMD Phenom II x4 910e (stock)
Motherboard: MSI 785GTM-E45 (BIOS version 8.6)
RAMS: 2GB (1GB x 2) Team Xtreem Dark DDR2-1066 CL 5 (hope to replace it with 4GB (2GB x 2) G.Skill DDR2-1000 CL5)
PSU: Corsair HX450w PSU
Video: Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB

Quote from: Bas on 30-August-10, 15:22:44
So if you put the old memory back everything is fine again?
If so return the Gskill and get some other brand memory, we have seen many problems with Gskill.
Yup. I can't return it though coz it performed perfectly fine on another AMD setup so the culprit might be in my system. Will do a system cleanup later and see what happens.
:edit:
Also can anyone direct me to the latest 8.7 bios for my board? Live Update 4 says there's a latest one (8.7) and says that it has improved memory compatibility.
The problem is when i start downloading it, Live Update says Download fail. URL Invalid.

UVD-power summary of MSI 5770 Hawk, 5570, & 785GTM-E45; Hawk min voltage

MSI R5770 Hawk
MSI R5570-MD1G
MSI 785GTM-E45
GPU PWR SYS f_GPU f_VRAM V_GPU set V_GPU meas Note 1: freq & voltage Note 2: system state
DCW Mhz Mhz V V
785 35 197 400 idle stock idle, light (5 min max)
785 46 498 400 UVD stock 1x 720p sharpen complex 2
5570 43 157 200 0.9 idle stock idle, light (5 min max)
5570 54 400 800 1 UVD stock 1x 720p sharpen complex 2
5570 52 400 800 0.9 0.8987 UVD undervolt/underclock 1 1x 720p sharpen complex 2
5570 55 400 800 0.9 0.9001 UVD undervolt/underclock 1 1x 1080p sharpen complex 2
5770 53 157 300 0.95 0.956 idle stock idle, light (5 min max)
5770 58 157 600 0.95 0.957 idle 2x f_VRAM idle, light (5 min max)
5770 65 157 1200 0.95 0.957 idle 4x f_VRAM (nom. max) idle, light (5 min max)
5770 61 400 900 0.95 0.958 idle @ UVD stock idle, light (5 min max)
5770 72 400 900 0.95 0.9499 UVD stock 1x 720p sharpen complex 2
5770 75 400 900 0.95 0.9508 UVD stock 1x 1080p sharpen complex 2
5770 60 157 300 0.95 0.9498 UVD undervolt/underclock 1 1x 720p sharpen complex 2
5770 63 157 300 0.95 0.9503 UVD undervolt/underclock 1 1x 1080p sharpen complex 2
5770 61 157 200 0.95 0.9497 UVD undervolt/underclock 2 1x 720p sharpen complex 2
5770 61 157 200 0.95 0.9497 UVD undervolt/underclock 2 1x 1080p sharpen complex 2
AMD Power Play states are glitchy, and not all videos detect and run with DirectX Video Acceleration. So max power during playback can end up on the highest power state which is not shown above.
MSI R5770 Hawk minimum power
The uP6204 power controller used on the MSI R5770 Hawk design nominally supports 0.5625 to 1.3500V in 0.0125V steps.
With a stock video BIOS, MSI Afterburner 1.50/1.51 allows the MSI R5770 Hawk to be soft-modded from 1.000 to 1.350V in the roughly 0.0125V steps.
The video BIOS can be set as low as 0.950V but with no steps between 0.950 and 1.000V.
MSI Afterburner 1.60 beta 4 or earlier adds the AllowCaptureVoltageDefaults profile setting. Acquiring, then changing the default GPU voltage allows "resetting" the Hawk to 0.950V in Afterburner for the highest frequency state. This allows maintaining Power Play transitions and running the max frequency at 0.950V, where Afterburner by itself is limited to 1.000V.
The max frequency state of the Hawk is 875 MHz 1200 MHz 1.200V. To have the most flexibilty on control the Hawk, lowest power in the Desktop/HTPC/light gaming, and the ability to manually overvolt/overclock for specific games: run the Hawk at 0.950V in the max frequency state.
How-to work around Afterburner and the Hawk design to run 1.000V in the max frequency state. *
1) in the video BIOS, leave the voltage as 1.200V in the BIOS--which is required for Afterburner to change the Hawk voltages in Windows
2) in the video BIOS, change the GPU frequency of that state to something less than or equal to the maximum stable frequency at 1.000V
3) in Afterburner, Reset to default settings **
4) in Afterburner, change "Core Voltage" to 1.000V
5) in Afterburner, Apply
6) in Afterburner, Save to Profile 1
7) in Afterburner, \Settings\Profiles\2D Profile\ & "3D Profile" choose "Profile 1" ***
8) on each Windows startup, run Afterburner
How-to work around Afterburner and the Hawk design to run 0.950V in the max frequency state.*
1) in the video BIOS, leave the voltage as 1.200V in the BIOS--which is required for Afterburner to change the Hawk voltages in Windows
2) in the video BIOS, change the GPU frequency of that state to something less than or equal to the maximum stable frequency at 0.950V
3) in Afterburner, confirm the voltage default setting for 0.950V--capture voltage defaults as needed using AllowCaptureVoltageDefaults mentioned above
4) in notepad as an Administrator (Win 6.x), change the Hawk's profile configuration file to 0.950V
example:
[Settings]
uP6204_Defaults=D7 20
5) in Afterburner, Reset to default settings **
6) in Afterburner, change "Core Voltage" to 1.000V--changing the profile setting to 0950/950 is not useful as of 1.60 beta 4.
7) in Afterburner, Apply
8) in Afterburner, Save to Profile 1
9) in Afterburner, \Settings\Profiles\2D Profile\ & "3D Profile" choose "Profile 1" ***
10) on each Windows startup, run Afterburner
11) in Afterburner, "Reset" to re-enable 0.950V.
* UnlockVoltageControl in the primary Afterburner profile's [Settings] will likely be needed.
** Only default profiles support Power Play states correctly.
*** Having a non-"default" profile in 3D results in the "3D Profile" activating instead of the UVD in the BIOS.
MSI Afterburner, default voltages
Profile Idle V_GPU @ V_CORE (V)
D7 12 1.125
D7 14 1.100
D7 16 1.047
D7 18 1.049
D7 19 1.037
D7 20 0.949
D7 21 0.937
D7 22 0.925
D7 23 0.912
D7 24 0.899
Power Play states in RBE 1.25
0 Boot 00 -> 00 -> 00
1 Power saving 01 -> 02 -> 00
2 UVD 03 -> 03 -> 03
3 Power saving 04 -> 02 -> 00
4 ACPI 01 -> 01 -> 01
Stock clocks & V_GPU
Clock info 00 01 02 03 04
f_GPU 875 157 600 400 400
f_RAM 1200 300 1200 900 1200
V_GPU 1.20 0.95 1.00 0.95 0.95
My current and likely final settings for MSI R5770 Hawk:
MOD clocks & V_GPU
Clock info 00 01 02 03 04
f_GPU 714 157 600 157 400
f_RAM 1200 300 600 300 600
V_GPU 1.20 0.95 0.95 0.95 0.95
Afterburner Profiles
# CoreVoltage CoreClk MemClk
1 0950 714000 1200000
2 1000 785000 1200000
3 1125 902000 1200000
5 1200 951000 1200000
More data & full system config:
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpost.php?p=1858205&postcount=1

MSI 785GTM-E45 Strange Problems

I hope this is the correct fouum, but here goes.
I have a new 785GTM-E45 with an AMD Athelon IIx2 255 dual core processor, 4 MB RAM, running XP Pro SP3.
I am having more halts, stops, freezes, what ever you call it than I think I should be having. Very frequently if I read an email then try to connect to a link, the machine freezes and after a CTRL-ALT-DEL the message "This program not responding."
There are freezes at other random times also but I am unable to duplicate or find a pattern. I have used XP PRO for a long time on previous platforms and this behavior is unusual, hence this call for help.
Possible Problem areas
CPU
RAM
Internal Motherboard
Possible need to update BIOS ? I keep reading info that suggests this can produce strange problems but I have not updated this until I know more about what problems this can cause and until you guys assure me that I can do this without causing more problems.
Is there any way to check CPU and/or RAM? I really do not want to spend a lot of money but are there any freebys out there that can test these two items?
Any other ideas about this MB that might be causing this trouble?
TYA
John

John,
I have the same board but on it I have
PSU Antec 500Watt
Phenom x3 8400B2 with TLB bug
2GB Samsung 667MHz
Geforce 9600GT 6pin molex
Windows Vista 32
Sata HD
Sata DVD ROM
and no freezes.
The Bios is latest 8.5
Running the FSB at 203MHz so three steps from 200MHz
Also running Defaults in Bios doesn't always turn out good to best results.
Turn off C1E in the CPU Options under Advanced
Turn off Spreadspectrum in Cell Menu
Turn off all unnecessary ports such as LTP ports these are parallel/serial ports
Also, do not turn on the ACC and all those options without first consulting and having your system running top notch.
If you're not using Firewire turn off the 1394 option or disable (turn off means disable) if the selections are Auto leave them on Auto, the board will detect and turn on if associated in this case the device is present.

MSİ 785gtm-e45 cpu pwm problem !

Hi all !!
I have got msi 785gtm-e45 motherboard.. The cpu fan's 4pin but always %100 pwm. I look bıos hw monitör but there is only smart fan target it is tempature of pwm ı dont need this.My cpu fan's 4pin.. How to use cpu fan pwm. plase do not tell programs ı only CONTROL İN BIOS sample:asus qfan or giggabyte auto fan pwm etc..
SORRY MY VERY BAD ENGLİSH:)

Hi all !!
I have got msi 785gtm-e45 motherboard.. The cpu fan's 4pin but always %100 pwm. I look bıos hw monitör but there is only smart fan target it is tempature of pwm ı dont need this.My cpu fan's 4pin.. How to use cpu fan pwm. plase do not tell programs ı only CONTROL İN BIOS sample:asus qfan or giggabyte auto fan pwm etc..
SORRY MY VERY BAD ENGLİSH:)

785GTM-E45 keeps turning off

Hi guys,
I seem to be having a problem with my MSI 785GTM-E45 that I purchased from Tigerdirect as a barebones kit. I'm a whiz at building systems, been doing it for years so I doubt I did anything wrong but who knows....
The weird part is.. two identical systems and SAME problem.
MSI 785GTM-E45 Motherboard - Micro ATX, AMD 785G Chipset, Socket AM2+, 1066MHz DDR2, SATA 3.0 Gb/s, RAID, 8-Channel Audio, Gigabit LAN
AMD HDX920XCJ4DGI Phenom II X4 920 Quad Core OEM Processor - 2.80GHz, 6MB Cache, 1800MHz (3600 MT/s) FSB, Deneb, Quad-Core, OEM, Socket AM2+
Patriot PSD22G80026 2048MB PC6400 DDR2 Memory - 800MHz, 1x2048MB, Non-ECC, Unbuffered
Seagate ST3500413AS Barracuda Hard Drive - 500GB, SATA 6Gbps, 7200 RPM, 16MB
Zalman CNPS7000V(AL)-1-PWM CPU Cooler - Intel Socket 1155, 1156, 775, AMD Socket AM2, AM2+, AM3
DiabloTek CPA-0280 Elite ATX Mid Tower Case - ATX, Micro ATX, 450W PSU, 2x Ext 5.25", 1x Ext 3.5", 2x Int 3.5", 2x USB 2.0 Front Ports, Black
Current temperature is:
CPU TEMP: 65C/147F
System Temp: 35C/95F
Sys Fan 1: Speed 905RPM
CPU Vcore 1.352V
3.3V: 3.444V
5V: 4.924
12V: 11.968V
So far, I've purchased thermal paste, the cleaner products to get the paste off. I've cleaned this twice and SAME problem.
I've purchased a new CPU cooler and am still having the same problem. My next thought would be the power supply.. but I don't want to be random and keep wasting my $$!
Any ideas on what else to try?
thanks,
Matt

Quote from: mateogp on 03-August-11, 02:49:53
Hi guys,
I seem to be having a problem with my MSI 785GTM-E45 that I purchased from Tigerdirect as a barebones kit. I'm a whiz at building systems, been doing it for years so I doubt I did anything wrong but who knows....
The weird part is.. two identical systems and SAME problem.
MSI 785GTM-E45 Motherboard - Micro ATX, AMD 785G Chipset, Socket AM2+, 1066MHz DDR2, SATA 3.0 Gb/s, RAID, 8-Channel Audio, Gigabit LAN
AMD HDX920XCJ4DGI Phenom II X4 920 Quad Core OEM Processor - 2.80GHz, 6MB Cache, 1800MHz (3600 MT/s) FSB, Deneb, Quad-Core, OEM, Socket AM2+
Patriot PSD22G80026 2048MB PC6400 DDR2 Memory - 800MHz, 1x2048MB, Non-ECC, Unbuffered
Seagate ST3500413AS Barracuda Hard Drive - 500GB, SATA 6Gbps, 7200 RPM, 16MB
Zalman CNPS7000V(AL)-1-PWM CPU Cooler - Intel Socket 1155, 1156, 775, AMD Socket AM2, AM2+, AM3
DiabloTek CPA-0280 Elite ATX Mid Tower Case - ATX, Micro ATX, 450W PSU, 2x Ext 5.25", 1x Ext 3.5", 2x Int 3.5", 2x USB 2.0 Front Ports, Black
Current temperature is:
CPU TEMP: 65C/147F
System Temp: 35C/95F
Sys Fan 1: Speed 905RPM
CPU Vcore 1.352V
3.3V: 3.444V
5V: 4.924
12V: 11.968V
So far, I've purchased thermal paste, the cleaner products to get the paste off. I've cleaned this twice and SAME problem.
I've purchased a new CPU cooler and am still having the same problem. My next thought would be the power supply.. but I don't want to be random and keep wasting my $$!
Any ideas on what else to try?
thanks,
Matt
Given what the CPU temp is at, I suspect thermal shutdown. 65 c is thermal max for deneb cpu's. Also your 450 watt PSU may not be up to snuff. double and tripple check cpu cooler seating, and reseat cpu, check for bent/damaged pins...just in case.

785GTM-E45 not POSTing after a week (Need help)

Hello guys and girls,
Good day to you.
I am new here as I just happily purchase my new MSI motherboard last week. Yay~
However, I am now currently facing problem in POSTing the PC after it was working beautifully for a week. Hope someone can help me as I have exhausted my testing/diagnostics options.
Some other infos that might be informative :-
1.) APS LED does not light anymore.
2.) No longer have successful POST beep anymore. (CPU Cooler comes on though)
3.) Of course the black screen.
4.) The last boot time, I remember seeing CMOS related error in the POST screen. After that loaded into Windows XP 32bit and I restarted the PC. Then the No POST happened.
My PC hardware components :-
CPU: Athlon X2 5000 (2.2GHz)
Motherboard: MSI 785GTM-E45 (ver 1.4) (No idea on how to check the BIOS as I can't even POST now)
RAM: I have 4 units working memory that I have tested to be working in this motherboard before it is not POSTing.
a.) Kingston DDR2 667MHz (KVR667D2N5/2G) [1 Stick]
b.) Mushkin DDR2 800MHz [1 Stick]
c.) Corsair Dominator DDR2 1066MHz 2x1GB Kit [2 Sticks] (using this one as the main before it failed to POST)
Graphics: Using onboard
PSU: Seasonic S12D 750W
a.) +3.3V = 24A ; +5V = 30A. (150W)
b.) +12V Combine = 62A (744W)
c.) -12V = 0.8A (9.6W)
d.) +5Vsb = 3A (15W)
Diagnostics that I have done :-
1.) Checked whether the motherboard is touching the casing which will ground it. The motherboard is screwed on the standoffs with a 1.5cm away from the case. Checked the motherboard edges, not touching the casing either. Checked whether is there any screws that are short-circuiting the motherboard, nothing there as well.
2.) Unplug the HDD and ODD. No POST as well. Plugged the HDD and ODD to another computer, it works.
3.) Triple checked the power connections in the PC. No POST. After that plugged my Seasonic PSU to another computer to test. It was working.
4.) Plugged another working PSU (Xigmatek 550W) from a working PC. Quadruple check the power connections is correct. No POST still.
5.) Test the memory DIMMs with different slots (all 4 of them). Installed one at a time and each time is in different slot. No POST still. Tried the board with NO memory, it beeps non-stop (Good news it is still working?)
6.) Did the Clear CMOS method according to manual. No POST still.
7.) Checked the monitor by plugging into another computer and see whether is it faulty. Is working.
8.) Retest all the memory DIMMs in another PC. All 4 DIMMs is working in another PC.
9.) Carefully remove the CPU and reseat the processor. After that retest all the 4 memory DIMMS (No matter which slot). No POST still.
10.) Disassemble the motherboard from the casing and other components to checked whether the capacitors are bad. Didn't detect any.
11.) Plugged in a working graphic card to check whether the onboard graphic is faulty. No POST still.
So now, I think I am left with 2 possibilities. The processor or the motherboard, however, the motherboard was the one showing symptoms based on the LED thing. So I am siding towards the motherboard is faulty?
I am out of ideas now. Hope someone can help me.

Yes, the CPU power is connected. both the 4 pins and 24 pins.
Some updates, I went to buy a Sempron 140 processor to test just for the sake whether the mobo works.. I just burnt some money on it.. it won't work.. Brought the motherboard back to the shop, they tested it and it is faulty.. so warranty claim. Guess I wont have a mobo for sometime..
Consider solved and I just burnt some money buying a spare proc which I think I wont be using also. haha.
Thanks for everyone who attempted to help me.

Radeon HD 4870 X2 2GB GDDR5 on a 785GTM-E45 mainboard post prob

trying to install my Radeon HD 4870 X2 2GB GDDR5 on my 785GTM-E45 mainboard and it wont post i disabled my internal card did every thing directions said to do. cleared my cmos still wont post. so i removed my pci e card and hooked my monitor back up to the main board and nwow that isnt posting grrrrr is there a jumper setting on my board that im not seeing to make my new card work. or how can i get my onboard vga to work agian

ok i got it to work and after about a minute running though my 650w power supply went BOOM so i went out and got a TX850 V2 power supply and it fired right up now im having a problem with hyper threading i see theres a way to adjust it in my bios just need to figure out what to adjust it to

Msi 785gtm-e45 Video issues

Hello everyone, hope you can help.
I have just changed from a Lanparty Jr series (due to a bios failure) to a Msi 785gtm-e45 motherboard. Everything is okay apart from running the graphics card which does not output any video. I first thought this was a bios setting so I tried setting the video default to pci-e, no change. I'm currently running on the on-board graphics (HD4200) with the 9600gt also inserted, the odd thing is that windows sees the card so I installed the latest drivers and tried again but still no change. The card is functional as I had it running not long ago in my previous machine. I have also tried resetting bios settings to default. I have searched for similar threads and found a couple although none come to conclusion to the problem. My PC specs are as follows:
- Athlon 64 X2 5600+ 2.9Ghz
- Msi 785gtm-e45 v1.4 running bios ver 8.8
- Corsair Ballistix Sport 4gb (2 x 2gb) DDR2 6400
- XFX Geforce 9600gt 512mb
- Hitachi HDP725050GLA360 500Gb SATA
- Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
- Corsair VX550W 550w (41A @ 12v / 30A @ 5v / 28A @ 3.5v)
Any help or advice is welcome.
Cheers.

Did you unplug your PSU from A/C power to properly >>Clear CMOS<< at any point after inserting the video card? If not, please give that a shot.

Compatability Q for a 785GTM-E45

I have a 785GTM E45 main board and im in the market for a new graphics card the one I seem to keep going back to is the SAPPHIRE VAPOR-X HD 4870 1GB GDDR5 PCI-E. So my Q is will it work with my 785GTM-E45? I know the ATI Radeon HD 4870 will work but it only has DVI outputs and i want the HDMI,VGA ,DVI options and the better cooling system of the Sapphire...... Also been looking at...Sapphire Radeon HD6970 2GB DDR5, Sapphire Radeon HD5670 1GB DDR3, and pretty much the whole sapphire vapor x hd series

We can't really comment or give recommendations on other competitors products here, after all this is an MSI forum.
But providing you have a powerful enough PSU (Power Supply Unit), those cards should work with no problems in your board.
FAQ: https://forum-en.msi.com/faq/article/power-requirements-for-graphics-cards

MSI 785GTM-E45 Bios Startup Random Freezes Help?

Hi all,
I hope I am posting this in the right forum, because it is a bios startup problem. I have been searching the forums from here and other places extensively for the past few days as well as trying pinpoint the problem on my own computer. My problem is every now and then when I boot up, it takes a really long time to get past or freezes at "initializing usb controllers" or it just freezes on "hypertransport flood sync." Some people say its the cpu, motherboard, ram, etc... So I have just been testing to see which component is causing the problem.
I recently purchased parts to build a new computer from frys. The parts are:
1. MSI 785GTM-E45
2. AMD Phenom II X2 555 BE
3. Patriot Extreme Performance 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model PDC24G6400ELK
4. Antec EarthWatts Green EA-430D Green 430W power supply
5. PNY Geforce 240 GT
6. 80 gb pata WD harddrive and NEC pata dvd-rw.
At first I thought it might've been that I was unlocking the cores and they were unstable, turns out the 4th core is unstable. However, I still get the weird freezes at initializing usb controllers and hypertransport flood sync even when I am running the stock 2 cores. Plus I purchased another AMD 555 to test it out, and its the same. Then I turned my attention to the ram, I ran memtest86+ on it and the ram appears to be good. And I don't think it is the power supply either, I can't really test it cuz I only have one. It can't be the video card because I was having this problem before I even installed the video card (I was using onboard waiting for something to go on sale). I am beginning to suspect that it's just a bad motherboard. I have even tried updating the bios to 8.5, I can now support X6, but it still doing the weird random freezes.
Was wondering if others had any ideas or suggestions. Thanks.

For your current system as is that PSU will be OK. If you think you will be upgrading video to something beyond a 250GTS & x4 CPU then I would recommend the TX650W instead. newegg usually has the best prices for the Corsairs and only online store I buy from in the past couple of years.
If you look at the specs at newegg you will see where it says how many rails it has. Also n'egg usually has picture of the PSU label and you can see there, it will show for example 2 rail: +12V1@18, +12V2@18, note the number after +12V. A single rail will have 1, for example the Corsair in your link +12V@30A

MSI 785GTM-E45 BIOS CPU fan voltage control

Hello MSI gurus,
I've replaced the MB in an older HP media center with the MSI 785GTM-E45 running BIOS V8.8 out of the box.
CPU = Athlon 64 X2 4200+
My problem is the stock CPU fan has a 3 pin connection (voltage controlled) and is running at 100% speed all the time. From what I've read on the forums there are a number of people that have this issue (with other MBs with 4 pin cpu fan headers) and don't want to switch to a 4 pin CPU fan (PWM controlled). I am in the same situation.
I am hoping that there is a BIOS for this board that has an option to switch to or enable voltage control on the CPU fan header.
I have tried enabling the CPU smart fan target but no matter what settings I chose the fan remains at 100%. The H/W monitor of the MB indicates a CPU temperature (33C) well below the target (tried all options from 40C to 60C in 5C increments).
I have tried MSI's dual core center and it had no effect on the fan speed.
I have tried the 3rd party freeware SpeedFan and if had no effect on the fan speed.
I am not able to check if I have the latest BIOS or even find changelogs for existing BIOS verions because MSI seems to only direct BIOS downloads for this product to the Live update application. I have installed the live update program and it indicated V8.8 was the most recent veriosn of the BIOS for this board, although I have seen posts indicating the Live Update application is not to be trusted.
Dual core center, SpeedFan, and Live Update have all now been uninstalled.
I know the fan I'm using will change speed because I can connect a 3 pin fan controller and manually dial down the speed.
I know the BIOS can read the fan speed becase it correctly shows the RPM changes when I use the hardware fan controller.
Can anyone direct me to a BIOS version for this board (or some secret keystroke) that enables automated 3 pin voltage control on the CPU fan header?
Thanks in advance for your time.

For those who are interested I received the following answer from MSI technical support. Personally I find this to be a flaw in this board's design. I chose this MB to replace a dead MB in a HP media center for a friend. If I was buying this board for myself I likely would be using it as a HTPC because of the mATX form factor, HDMI on board, and backward compatibility for CPUs. However, due to the added cost of purchasing a new heat sink and fan I would be RMAing if I had bought it for myself. Considering many of the top performing after market coolers still come with a 3 pin fan it was a poor decision for MSI to not include support for automatic speed control of a 3 pin voltage controlled fan.
Quote
Dear Sir/Madam,
Thanks for contacting msi technical support team!
We are sorry that because of the circuit designs,we could not add cpu smart function for 3 pin's connector fan in the BIOS. The difference between 3pins and 4pins is that the second has a temperature controller but the first does not.We would suggest you utilize a 4-pin CPU Fan in order to control the CPU Fan speed.
Sorry for any inconvenience caused you!
Best regards,
MSI Technical Support Team

MSI 785GTM-E45 wont post with 4 GB ram just about at witts end help please

I have a MSI 785GTM-E45 with a AMD Athlon 7750 Black Edition Dual Core 2.7 (all overclocking was restored to normal for install of new ram) that ive been putting together its just about done except vid card and memory.. K heres my problem I"ve been using a 1 X 1gb single channel ddr2 800 pc2 -5300 1.8v 240 pin to set stuff up untill i got my new ram. well i got my new ram today its 2 sticks 2 GB each PC2-8500 DDR2-1066Mhz ..CL 5-7-7-25 dimm when I install it on my board the machine wont post. seems like it boots theres no beeps or anything so i cleared the CMOS Flashed and upgraded the bios set bios to defaults still wont post. I tried one stick then other tried one slot then other nothing took it out put in my old ram fires right up. HELP what am i doing wrong. PC2-8500 DDR2-1066Mhz owners manual and everything i read online says this should work they are a new maching pair.

hey mark thanks i took it to a shop today guy said it was 100% compatible so i asked him to test it came back bout 5 min later said it was completely dead worthless so in sendin it back bout some from the guy at the store machine runs awsome now i just need a good inexpensinve graphics pci-e pretty sad when you spend good Money and a few days looking for excactly what you want / need and when you get it its trash im just glad it wasnt my main board

785GTM-E45

Hello All,
I have recently purchased a 785GTM-E45 and an Athlon II x4 640
Athlon x4 640
Crucial Ballistix 2x1G
Antec Truepower 480 P/S
My symptoms:
Motherboard POSTs however no keyboards are recognized, PS2 or USB, thus I cannot get update the BIOS. I am assuming that I am running into this because the 640 is not on the supported list yet, is that correct?
I have already exchanged the board for a new one and still have the same issue. I have also tried different (Kingston) as well as just single sticks of RAM. I have not listed the other components of the system, DVDR or HD because they are not connected at this time.
Thanks for your help.

Hi Frederick,
Yes, I understand about the connecting PS2 devices while powered and how random it can be with them being recognized. I am using the Antec PS at this time instead of a generic 400W (that came with the case for this new build). I took the Antec out of a working system to rule out the power supply in the case. However the issue exists with either PS. I was trying to update the BIOS because it was out of date to see if that was the issue.
The weird part is that with NO hard drive connected I can boot up a Windows Setup DVD but am unable to move around in the initial menu because the keyboard doesn't work.
Thanks for your help!

785GTM-E45 MOBO BIOS V 8.80 RANDOMLY RESETS BOOT SEQUENCE

785GTM-E45 MOBO W/ PHENOM 9750 QUAD CORE CPU/4 GB WINTEC DDR2 PC6400 (2 x 2 GB) / WINDOWS XP SP3
PROBLEM: BIOS V 8.80 RANDOMLY RESETS BOOT SEQUENCE
I HAVE 4 HARD DRIVES (2 SATA II - 1 USB 2.0 1 USB 3.0) ALL OF WHICH HAVE MULTIPLE PARTITIONS WITH 1 ACTIVE ON EACH DRIVE
SATA II DRIVES / DEVICES:
ON SATA 1: HITACHI 1TB SATA II DRIVE
ON SATA 2: MSI DVD-CW RW
ON SATA 3: MAXTOR 320GB SATA II DRIVE
USB DRIVES:
1. SEAGATE FREE AGENT EXTERNAL USB 2.0 1TB HD
2. FANTOM EXTERNAL USB 3.0 2TB HD (VIA DIABLOTEK USB 3.0 PCI-E CARD)
EXPLANATION OF PROBLEM AND FIXES ATTEMPTED TO DATE
IN BIOS BOOT SEQUENCE I SELECT THE HITACHI HD AS 1ST DEVICE AND ALSO SET IT 2ND 3RD AND 4TH AND BOOT OTHER DEVICE DISABLED. SAVE/EXIT BIOS AND WHEN SYSTEM REBOOTS IT RANDOMLY SELECTS ANY OF THE 4 DRIVES TO BOOT FROM. WHEN I ENTER BIOS AGAIN IT SHOWS WHATEVER DRIVE IT HAD SELECTED TO BOOT FROM AS 1ST, 2ND, 3RD AND 4TH DEVICE. ENABLING OR DISABLING BOOT FROM OTHER DEVICE MAKES NO DIFFERENCE.
ORIGINALLY MY HITACHI WAS ON SATA 3 AND THE MAXTOR ON SATA 1 - I SWITCHED THESE AND NO DIFFERENCE. BIOS SWITCHES BOOT DEVICE NOT ONLY TO THE MAXTOR SATA DRIVE BUT ALSO TO THE USB DRIVES. USUALLY WHEN I REENTER BIOS AND CHANGE THE BOOT SEQUENCE BACK FROM WHATEVER HD IT SHOWS TO THE HITACHI IT WILL USUALLY THEN BOOT FROM THE HITACHI SOMETIMES THOUGH IT TAKES 2 OR 3 TRIES TO GET IT TO BOOT FROM THE DRIVE I HAVE SELECTED AS 1ST BOOT DEVICE.
I HAVE TESTED ALL DRIVES EXTENSIVELY USING ONTRACK EASY RECOVERY PROFESSIONAL SOFTWARE AND ALL DRIVES SHOW NO PROBLEM.
MSI LIVE UPDATE 5 REPORTS THAT THE BIOS IS 8.80 HOWEVER IT ALSO SHOWS MY OS AS WINDOWS 2000 WHICH IS INCORRECT. MY CURRENT OS IS WINDOWS XP SP3. MY XP INSTALLATION WAS AN UPGRADE FROM WINDOWS 2000.
PROBLEM IS NOT DEVASTATING JUST ANNOYING IF ANYONE KNOWS OF A FIX I'D LOVE TO HEAR ABOUT IT. IF THIS IS A BUG IN THIS VERSION OF THE MOBO BIOS I SURE HOPE THEY EXTERMINATE IT AND RELEASE AN UPDATED VERSION IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

Quote from: Bas on 26-August-11, 18:07:03
How do you know it's randomly booting a different drive?
What are the messages you get?
As this:
That looks like a broken drive to me, where it can't find the bootsector/mbr in time to boot from, so the BIOS moves to the next drive and tries again.
I built this box about 2 months ago or so and this is the version of BIOS that came with the MOBO. I have not flashed the bios in this board.
As for knowing that it is randomly booting from a different drive as I stated each of my 4 drives has at a minimum 1 active partition. The Hitachi has a dual boot setup in Windows and if it is booting from the Hitachi drive I will get the Window giving me a choice of booting from either the Hitachi or the Seagate. If I select the Hitachi I also have it setup for two hardware profiles so it then gives me that screen to select profile 1 or 2. If I get these screens no problem - I select the Hitachi and profile 1 and it boots without any further problem.
If it has switched lets say to the maxtor (remember I have selected the Hitachi as 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th for boot sequence and the boot from other device is NO) I get no multi boot option it just automatically starts Windows from the active partition on the MAXTOR (I can tell because the last time I used the Maxtor didn't shut down Windows properly so I get the option screen to boot normally or use safe mode etc). The active partition on the Maxtor is a duplicate of the Hitachi but about 2 months old - basically a backup of the Hitachi active partition but out of date and without the multi boot option.
In addition if it has switched boot drives and I hit my reset button and del to open up bios again and go to the boot sequence menu it will no longer show my hitachi as all 4 choices but sometimes it will show all 4 drives in varying order (including the hitachi but not as first device), sometimes 1 drive in all 4 (as in the seagate or the maxtor or the fantom drive in all 4 of the boot sequences) this seems to occur randomly and each time the list of boot sequence is different.
Keeping in mind that I had initially selected the Hitachi drive in all 4 of the boot sequences and selected NO to boot from other device - If the Hitachi drive was not ready or had a bad bootsector/mbr should I not get a message similar to "cannot boot from selected device so and so is missing etc?? I was under the impression that when one disabled the boot from other device as in NO then the bios should not attempt to go any further then attempting to boot from the selected device(s)????
As for the broken drive and bios moving to the next drive and trying again I could understand that 1. If I had not supposedly disabled its ability to do that 2. I could perhaps understand this going to the next drive if I had selected the Seagate USB drive as my initial drive because of it's so called sleep mode which I have now turned off as it was causing errors in windows. In addition I have run numerous and rigorous tests on the drives and they all passed with flying colors.
Yesterday after a couple of tries I booted from the Hitachi drive (it was listed as 1,2,3,and 4 in bios and the boot from other device was NO) and was using that all day and was on it when I posted my help request here. Shortly thereafter I properly shut down my computer. Now I would think that when I turned it on again this morning the BIOS would have maintained its previous settings of the Hitachi in all 4 of the boot sequences and the No on enabling it to boot from other device? However when I booted up again this morning it tried to boot from the Maxtor (I can tell because I get the option screen to boot normally or use safe mode etc) so I hit the reset button and then entered bios and boot sequence and now it showed the Seagate as 1 (it had just tried to boot from the Maxtor when I hit the reset button), the Fantom as 2, the Maxtor as 3 and the Hitachi as 4 and boot from other device still said NO - changed them once again to show the Hitachi in all 4 positions and exited bios and it did then boot from the Hitachi and here I am writing this message using Windows XP located in the active partition of my Hitachi drive.
I'm not exactly a novice as my computer experience goes all the way back to mainframe days of the IBM 360 series computers. I have built so many boxes I have lost count including numerous one using MSI mobos and I have never encountered a problem similar to this. As I said it is not devastating just annoying - the only thing I can think of to totally eliminate the possibility of it being the mbr/bootsector of the Hitachi drive is to back up the drive and rewrite those sectors even though no errors have been reported.
I could be wrong but after messing with this for sometime it really seems to be a bios bug or perhaps just my bios is defective - I was able to dl a copy of v8.8 from another post in the forums - and have not used it yet. Sent all of this info in a Tech support request and posted it here to see if there were any solutions I may have overlooked before flashing the bios with a dl copy of the same version I have installed.
As for downloading the current v of bios from the forums here it was apparently the only way I could get a copy as Liveupdate 5 shows that I have the current version installed and only gives me a message that my mobo bios is current and no download is needed or something like that and the MSI site no longer gives one the ability to download the mobo bios without using liveupdate 5 or at least I couldn't find one. Guess they got tired of people killing their boards with bad flashes.

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