8 channel mic pres optional adat

Hey Guys,
So I'm buying a 003 (hold your moans)
and I want to completely bypass the stock mic pres.
I already own a presonus Digimax 96k and will have that hooked up to adat.
I was wondering about my analogue ins on the 003 though.
What 8 channel or less mic pres would you recommend to stick in there?
I do need 16 channels in at all times.
My budget isn't that great after I've spent all my
money on various other gear.
Some people have told me about the focusrite octopre.
But I was wondering about ART MPA tube pres.
Anything you could advise would be great.
Thanks
-FTIWL

Thanks guys,
does anyone know about bypassing the mic pres on
the 003? I'm guessing its like the 002.
On the specs on Digi's website it said that
the 1st 4 inputs are TRS balanced but the
other 4 inputs are unbalanced.
Does this mean I can expect crappy signals
into those (5-8) channels no matter what pres I hook into
them?
Also, on channels 1-4 are they getting put through
the on board pres of the 003 if I plug into the TRS ins?
if so, isn't that going to effect the signal as well?
Thanks
-FTIWL

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