8 core Mac Pro - lacks performance under XP32

Hi guys,
Have an 8 core 3GHz Mac pro with a Nvidia 7300GT video card, 4GB RAM etc..
Under XP32 (boot Camp) with the new Leopard update, I still only get 2GB RAM available, despite the /3GB switch made to boot.ini. Any ideas?
Also, my 7300LT video card exponentially outperforms the 7300GT in this Mac Pro under 3dMark. Been really quite disappointed. I have the latest Nvidia drivers, and have just finished the latest Leopard update, with absolutely no performance difference (makes me wonder why I bothered really).
So my ask is, people here.. what are your 3dmark scores like? Do i have a faulty board, drivers or setup? What am i doing wrong?
I have this machine mainly as a 3D modelling and rendering workstation, and while it renders like a monster, manipulating even simple wireframes in 3d Studio Max is chunky!
Any help/advice appreciated, as my Apple Dealer has wiped his hands clean of me.

You should have ordered it with Radeon X1900 or better video.
Windows 64-bit version.
7300GT is not designed for 3D.
Radeon should be 400% higher 3DMark06 scores but you'll have to look those up.
Leopard didn't provide anything new for Windows drivers from what I've read.

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