800 FSB Boards

I'm planning to upgrade my motherboard. What's the main difference (other than price) between an 875 based mobo and an 865 board. Also, will gigabit LAN give a boost to my cable internet connection? If I keep all my current componentsexcept the motherboard, will I have to re-install Windows XP home? Any and all advise is greatly appreciated!

for SATA's i would recommend the Western Digital Raptors
10,000 rpm the best SATA so far, but you need 2 of these if you want raid
it comes to around 300+ dollars if you could spare some get these drives heard good reviews about it.

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865 P neo 800 FSB issues?

I'm working on a system with an 865 P neo mobo, 2.4 P4 with 800 FSB. The default is 166 on the FSB in the bios, and the chip only shows up as 1.99 ghz. When I change the fsb to 200, it posts, and starts to load the win xp splash screen, then reboots. Anyone else having similar issues? I've already tried different boards and cpus, so it's not a hardware issue. Bios version is 1.1 042503.
Any thoughts ir similar problems, please post.

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Originally posted by Ironweaver
THANK YOU!
Man, I spent most of the day on Friday swapping out parts to try and find a bad one. That\'s what I get for not questioning the lousy company I work for, we tagged that board as 800 fsb on our sku label. I guess the \"800 edition\" that MSI put on the box doesn\'t help any either. Thanks again; next time I have an issue I\'ll post here before I spend too much time on it.
My guess is that MSI printed '800 series' on the box to show it's compatible with 800 FSB CPU's (which seem to work, only slower as intended).

800 Fsb

Hi all, I have read that the i845PE Max chipset can run an 800 fsb CPU. Has anyone done this and does it work ok? Which Bios is needed for this? Thanks,Sono.

http://www.msi.com.tw/program/search/ser/SerConProRes.php?pro=1&chp=4
you need a different board max 3 or one of the others sort of will

800 FSB, HT, and 865p Neo... Noob question

Just installed my new motherboard, 865p Neo, with a Northwood 2.4GHz P4 800 FSB processor, and it's running at 1.99 GHz at 664 MHz FSB. Is this a jumper problem or a software issue? Please help. :(

?( at the first place why you get a 865p for P4 800 FSB processor? you should get a 865pe or 875p. if can, go and get it change

661FM-L Good 800mhz fsb board?

Hey guys, just picked up a 661FM-L mobo, just wondering how these boards are.
I currently have a px8 neo v, and it runs great. Any one have comments on the 661FM-L board?
going to run a
p4 2.8ghz 800 mhz FSB with HT,
1 gig of kingston value ram ddr400,
400w psu,
ati 9600xt vid card
Maxtor ATA133 7200 rpm hd
DVD/CD burner
going to load XP pro

I can't comment on the MSI board, but I recently built a system on the ASRock board using SIS 661FX, so I can comment on the chipset.
Onboard graphics are nearly as bad as the S3 Unichrome in terms of anemic 3D performance, but that doesn't come as any surprise. The person for whom the computer was built doesn't play PC games other than entertainment titles that make use of light 3D (Game Show, Board Game, Children's Titles, etc). In the event they want better graphics, the AGP 4x/8x slot is there.
No complaints here. Seems like a fast and stable performer, though I'm not sure how it compares to VIA PM800/PM880. I suspect that raw performance is not a paramount consideration to anyone buying this kind of All-In-One board, anyway, but it seemed plenty fast to me.

533 FSB CPU on 400 FSB board

What happens if you put a P4 533 FSB processor in a 400 FSB motherboard. The board is an 845GLMS.
Regards Rob

Will not work since the board do not support 533mhz ( fsb / power / board comp. )
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_cpu_support_detail.php?UID=400
but if you are planning a 533 cpu because you want better performance, you could try overclockning your 400 cpu instead ( if you havn´t done this already )
Best thing, could be to buy a 865PE Neo2 board that support 400/533/800 mhz northwood and prescott cpu, to run a 400/533 cpu today and 800 cpu tomorrow.
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=556

200 FSB = 800 FSB ????

Dumbass question....
The FSB setting on the mobo says 200 MHZ. Core center says 200 MHZ. Is my FSB running at 800 MHZ? I have dual DDR Corsair sticks (2 x 256)

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Originally posted by December
duh

1:1 FSB:Memory ratio on 865pe fisr (250+Mhz)

Does anyone have memory that is capable of running 250mhz and over? I was interested in knowing whether the bios changes your ratio to 5:4 when you select 250mhz FSB and over like mine does. I don't know why it changes the ratio when the ram is capable of running at 250+ on 2.7V easy. Nothing is holding me back as I have tested all relevant components at required voltages so it is strictly a bios/mobo issue as I see it. Do any of the 5 bioses for the 865pe allow for higher than 250mhz 1:1 ratio? Could it be the brand of memory I have? It is detected as pc3200 memory which is actually a good thing cause it 'tricks' the mobo into thinking it is compatible ram. But even if the ram is not on the list of 'compatible' ram modules, this should not cause such a problem as that. My theory is that this MSI board has set parameters coded into the bios that govern the way the mobo behaves IRRESPECTIVE of the capabilites of the components in the system. If your mem modules, cpu, etc. fall under a certain category defined by MSI, the mobo will change them back to a default or 'safer' setting if you increased it beyond what the deem is acceptable. How do I know this? Well if you use an utility that allows you to change parameters in windows, such as MSI's very own corecenter you will see that the computer will run at a speed that it would not run at if set in the bios (assuming that your components are capable of running at increased speeds). If anyone has done extensive testings and can tell me which of the 5 current bioses are the least restrictive on user settings, can they please let me know?
My sys specs are:
MSI NEO2 865PE FISR
P4 2.4C 800 FSB
2x512MB ADATA PC4000
ATI Radeon 9700
WD 40GB 8MB Cache
IBM Deskstar 120GXP 40GB
Lite-On 16x DVD rom
Enermax 550W PSU
As of now I am in hardcore diagnostic OC mode. I am taking the time to verify the limits of each of my components separately. Only one component is stressed at any one time and the others are all run as below spec as possible. Lets see what turns up. Let me know what bios works best for you guys.

U had any problems with u'r ADATA DDR 500?
Where did u pick it up??
see my other post for my specs
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/e_service/forum/index.php?threadid=27815&boardid=10&styleid=1&sid=f383feb6d3080c2e532cb89a2201c498

NEO Boards Unofficial FAQ rev 4/05/2004 - two lights on "P" series

Hi all,
I'll start maintaining this Unofficial FAQ for the NEO boards. The contents of this FAQ are compiled from this forum, user's posted problems, usage issues, compatibility issues reported on the net etc. However, MSI does not responsible for the validity of this FAQ. Please take note.
1. BIOS
Q: I flashed the BIOS and caused my motherboard dead. Can I RMA the board?
A: This does not happen easily. Please be sure you follow the BIOS flashing instruction and wait for the BIOS flashing process to be fully completed before you restart the PC.
If this problem is caused by the recent bios 1.3 for the Intel875 ( MS6758 ) chipset, then he could ask for RMA from MSI Branch offices for Free.
If not caused by the 1.3 BIOS, they can still go through the normal RMA process. Please check with MSI branches.
Q: What is the MSI statement for the bad BIOS flash?
YES. This is the statement :Quote
When you update the bios to v1.4 using the latest flash utility, it will show "Erasing Done and then Programming Done". But actually the process has not been finished yet, you will need to wait about 30 seconds and then the message of "Flash Complete..." is showing up, this will complete the flash process.
By doing this, end user will assume when it display "Programming Done" message, it has complete the flash process which is wrong. We need to wait until the "Flash Complete..." message has displayed on the screen in order for completing the flash process.
By any chance we can remove the message of "Programming Done" and only prompt for "Flash Complete..." so customer will not turn off the system or reboot the system when they see "Programming Done" message pop on the screen?
The new version ADSFI708.EXE has fixed this issue. When you finish the BIOS , it will show the "Verifying the ROM data now" message before it showed up the "Flash Complete".
In short, use ADSFI708.EXE to flash the BIOS.
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Q: Where can I get beta BIOS?
MSI do not support beta BIOS. Use at your own risk. Under special condition such as hardware incompatibility issues and a beta BIOS is a feasible resolution, please post in the forum and let the mods arrange for you.
Latest BIOS:
Released:
875P Neo : 1.9
865PE Neo2 : 1.9
865PE Neo2-PS : 3.3 New![/B]
beta BIOS:
875P Neo : 1.9B6 link1 [Thanks to FlyTSI for hosting]
History: NO INFO PROVIDED FOR 1.9B6
865PE Neo2 : 2.01B link [thanks to FlyTSI]
History:Support Extreme OSB logo. Display L3 cache. Support Prescott cpu & update microcode. Modify Prescott ratio programming.
DO NOT APPROACH THE MODS FOR BETA BIOS! WE DO NOT DISTRIBUTE BETA BIOS!!
Q: What is the best BIOS setting for my board?
A: The optimal BIOS setting is different for each system. It's recommended to read more about the BIOS settings, from the board's manual, and some good guides like this : link.
2. Overclocking
Q:I cannot overclock my system. Can MSI update the BIOS so I can overclock?
A: This board can overclock, but overclocking depends on the peripherals that you are using like memory, CPU, heatsink etc.
Q: Which board has Dynamic Overclocking Technology?
A: Currently only 865PE Neo2-FIS2R
Q: How to disable dynamic overclocking?
A:Yes, you can disable Dynamic clocking directly in the bios setup.
3. CoreCell Technology
Q: which product has CoreCell technology built-in?
A: 875P Neo (MS-6758), 865GE Neo2 (MS-6728) & 865PE Neo2 (MS-6728)
Q: Can I assume that boards with CoreCell chip to have D.O.T ?
NO
Q: Where are the locations of temperature sensors?
CPU - taken directly from CPU pin (same as AMD thermal pin.
System - RT2 (near winbond I/O) same for 875/865 series boards.
4. RAM
Q: I have this RAM xxxx but it does not work with my board. Can MSI update the BIOS to fix this?
A: We would suggest you to use the MSI recommended memory for this part as there are a lot of memory brands out there we can't guarantee that all will work with the MB. Please go to the Product Info page, click "Test Report" and choose "Memory Modules".
For example, 875P : Here and select Memory Modules.
Q: My RAM performance is slow, the benchmark software such as PC Mark, Sisoft etc results are below par compared to other brands. WHY?
A: This issue has been identified. New BIOS update has fixed this problem. Please update to the latest BIOS.
Q: Is there any workaround?
A: There are users here share valueable information of how they tweak their BIOS to achieve good results. Kudos to them! :D Take a look at this link.
Q: What is MAT?
Memory Acceleration Technology. More to read here! Please read all to get the whole idea. You should have the idea what actually it is. :D
Q: Why my Neo2-S/LS doesn't have MAT?!
GOOD NEWS!! After first week of July, the new BIOS release will enable MAT in all Neo2 boards!
Q: What about DOT?
OK. Here is the answer:
Additional Info for MAT support:
MS-6728 BIOS V1.3 (All 865PE will support)
(Note: No MAT option for 865G due to limitation) Though the 865G have no support for MAT but if you insert AGP VGA card, you could still avail of this function!!
DOT support:
MS-6728, for exist boards, only full version supports it
Q: I want to have both MAT and DOT, can I do that?
Of course you can. However, the amount of setting you can used would depend on your current configurations. The suggested stable configuration if MAT as Fast & DOT as Captain
Q: Then what is PAT?
This is what I found in the forum, written by Assaf.
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Here's what I understand about PAT.
As you may or may not know adding pipline stages to any execution unit will allow you to run it at a higher frequency but it will increase the latancy from start to end (measured in clock pulses).
Now, in order to ensure reliable operation at 800MHz FSB intel added 2 pipline stages to the memory controller (as based on the original dual memory controller in the E7205 chipset)
This they called i865PE and it will only put into action these 2 stages when 800MHz FSB is applied (which it needs the bios to tell it is the case)
Intel take the better yealdes of 865PE and validate them for 800MHz with the 2 extra stages disabled.
These they call 875P.
A 875P bios with PAT enabled simply does not "tell" the chipset it it running at 800MHz so the extra stages are inactive thus reducing latancy relative to a situation where these stages were activated.
A hacked 865PE bios will simply follow the 875P bios rule of not notifing the chipset it is running at 800MHz.
PAT is not an optimization, it's a de-un-optimization
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Q: Can 875P/865PE boards support DDR266 RAM for 800MHz FSB CPU?
Yes, although the product webpage did not highlight DDR266.
Q: My Kingston HyperX RAM always cause errors with 875/865 board!
Known issue. Please read here: http://www.kingston.com/support/faqs/memory/intel_3.asp
Q: My system does not run stably with DDR400
A: Set DDR Voltage to 2.7V and above for DDR400, regardless what the RAM manufacturer advertised.
Q: How to set different FSB:DDR ratio? I can't find in the BIOS
The FSB:DDR ratio can be changed by setting DDR Clock [266,333,400,500,533]. However, your processor's default FSB will affect the ratio. Follow this table:
FSB DDR ratio
133 266 1:1
133 333 4:5
133 400 2:3
133 466 -
133 500 -
133 533 -
200 266 3:2
200 333 5:4
200 400 1:1
200 466 -
200 500 4:5
200 533 3:4
If you have 800FSB (200Mhz) CPU, use FSB200 table. If you have 533FSB (133MHz) CPU, use FSB133 table to get the ratio. Ratio "-" is not available and out of chipset limit.
Examples:
1. DDR400 overclock P4 2.4GHz to 3.0GHz. Ratio 5:4. FSB:250MHz. DDR Clock : 333MHz
2. DDR333 overclock P4 2.4GHz to 3.0GHz. Ratio 3:2. FSB:250MHz. DDR Clock : 266MHz
3. DDR500 Pr default. Ratio 4:5. FSB:200MHz. DDR Clock: 500MHz.
5. HDDs
Q: Can Promise RAID support 2 PATA + 2 SATA = total of 4 HDDs for a single RAID array? RAID-0? RAID-1? RAID-0+1?
Yes, Promise RAID support 2 PATA + 2 SATA (RAID-0 or RAID-1 or RAID-0+1)
Q: Does ICH5R's SATA controller support RAID?
Yes, but only ICH5R, not ICH5. Update: MSI has released beta BIOS 1.81B with ICH5R RAID-1 support. Check the link above in the BIOS section.
Q: My HDD LED doesn't lit!!!
As what I have been told that the HDD LED only lit when there are activities in IDE Primary and Secondary channels. No support for ICH5's SATA and/or Promise SATA activities yet. In other words, the HDD LED will not lit and indicate any activities for your SATA drives.
Q: What is SATA? What is PATA?
SATA = Serial ATA. There was no such "PATA" acronym before. After Serial ATA appeared, people started to find IDE as opposing to Serial ATA, and hence called IDE as "Parallel ATA" or PATA.
Q: I enable SATA in BIOS but I didn't see any SATA Controller listed in the Device Manager!
You will see two sets of IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers - Intel 82801EB Ultra ATA Controller x2, Primary IDE Channel x2, Secondary IDE Channel x2. That's how Windows installed the drivers.
Q: How should I install my HDD for RAID configuration?
Note that the Promise RAID controller only controls IDE-3, SER-3 and SER-4 ports. Make sure you have your HDDs connected to these ports. Make sure you have enabled "Onboard Promise IDE" in the BIOS. Then after the POST screen, press CTRL-F once prompted and go to the RAID setup screen to setup your RAID configuration.
While the ICH5R controls IDE-1, IDE-2, SER-1 and SER-2. For ICH5R, only SER-1 and SER-2 can be set as RAID. So make sure your SATA HDDs are connected to SER-1 and SER-2. But make sure you have enabled "Configure SATA as RAID" in the BIOS. After the POST screen, press CTRL-I once prompted and go to the ICH5R RAID setup screen to setup your RAID configuration.
For more comprehensive RAID setup guide, please read this guide written by vango44. Great contribution!!
Q: My SATA HDD always gives me errors, data corruptions and can't boot!!
Check the SATA HDD's bridge chip with a "M" logo, the chip build has to be B5P and above, not B2P/B3P which are known to be buggy. B4P is OK but B5P is better. Maxtor and Western Digital SATA HDDs are known to use this bridge chip. Seagate Barracuda V uses different bridge chip and does not make that much problems compared to Maxtor's. RMA the HDDs if possible. MSI is working on the BIOS to fix this incompatible issues. Get BIOS 1.9B3 or 1.6B2 or above. I have seen around October 2003 that Western Digital HDDs come with B5P bridge chip.
Q: I want to use IDE3 for normal HDD, non-RAID
Set this in the BIOS under Integrated Peripherals:
Onboard Promise IDE : As SATA
Q: What is Legacy mode and what is Native mode?
Legacy mode uses 14 and 15 IRQs. Legacy mode can support up to 2 IDE channels, each IRQ for each channel, which means it can support 2 SATA, or 2 SATA + 2 PATA or 4 PATA. Legacy mode also works comfortably with most OSes including Linux.
Native mode means you may use all available IRQs and can support up to 2 SATA and 4 PATA. Native mode may have issues working with some OSes such as Win9x and Linux, especially on IRQ assignments.If you have Win98/ME, use Legacy mode only!
Q: How to enable both SATA and PATA?
You can use both Legacy mode and Native mode, depending on how many devices you use as described above.
For Legacy Mode:
ATA Configuration: PATA+SATA
S-ATA Keep Enabled: Yes
P-ATA Keep Enabled: Yes
PATA Channel Selection: Both
Combined Mode Operation: PATA First/SATA First, depending on which you want to act as 1st Channel.
S-ATA Ports Definition: P0-1st/P1-2nd or P0-3rd/P1-4th, depending on which you want to act as Master.
For Native Mode:
ATA Configuration: SATA Only or PATA only, depending on which you want to be the FIRST BOOT device!
S-ATA Keep Enabled: Yes if you chose PATA only
P-ATA Keep Enabled: Yes if you chose SATA Only
PATA Channel Selection: Both
Combined Mode Operation: PATA First/SATA First, depending on which you want to act as 1st Channel.
S-ATA Ports Definition: - P0-1st/P1-2nd or P0-3rd/P1-4th, depending on which you want to act as Master.
Q: What is S-ATA Ports Definition?
There are two options: P0-1st/P1-2nd and P0-3rd/P1-4th. If you choose P0-1st/P1-2nd, your Port-0 S-ATA (SER-1) will become the 1st IDE Master, ie IDE-1 Master. and Port-1 S-ATA (SER-2) will become 2nd IDE Master. If you plan to boot with SATA HDD, it's recommended to set to P0-1st/P1-2nd. If you plan to boot with PATA HDD, it's recommended to set to P0-3rd/P1-4th.
Q: When I enable SATA+PATA mode, why only IDE-1 or IDE-2 can be used?
If you chose "SATA 1st Channel", IDE-1 will be dropped. If you chose "PATA 1st Channel", IDE-2 will be dropped.
Q: I want my SATA to be the 1st IDE drive in Legacy Mode along with PATA, how?
Set this:
ATA Configuration: PATA+SATA
S-ATA Keep Enabled: don't care
P-ATA Keep Enabled: don't care
PATA Channel Selection: don't care
Combined Mode Operation: SATA 1st Channel
S-ATA Ports Definition: P0-1st/P1-2nd
With this configuration, you can have your SER-1 and SER-2 act as IDE-1 master and slave. But you can only connect your PATA drives on IDE-2 slot.
Q: I am a noob, I want more details.
More info? here
Q: How to support 250GB HDD? Windows only sees up to 134GB.
Follow this instruction: here for Win2000 and WinXP.
Q: I've installed a new SATA HDD, I can find it in Device Manager but it doesn't appear in Windows Explorer at all! HELP!!
You need to format the HDD, not just SATA but also PATA HDD then only Windows Explorer can see it and assign it with a drive letter. To format a HDD, right click on My Computer, select Manage, look for Disk Management. You should see a no-drive-letter unformatted drive there in the list. Get it formatted by right click on it and choose the obvious option there is.
6. Onboard Sound
Q: My onboard sound lost after I overclock the system!
Goto BIOS setup and lock AGP/PCI to 67/33.
7. Universal Serial Bus [Thanks to Danny for contribution]
Q: Why doesn't my board have USB2 ports?
A: The ICH5 and ICH5R chipsets support up to 8 USB2 ports. Under Windows XP when you view your USB settings using Device Manager you will see 4 Intel 82801EB USB Universal Host Controllers and 1 Intel 82801EB USB2 Enhanced Host Controller; Windows 2000 is similar, you are looking for "Enhanced". If you don't see "Enhanced" you need to install SP1 for XP or the latest service pack for W2K. If you have these service packs installed and still don't see enhanced, used the Device Manager to remove the 5 controllers and reboot to allow Windows to correctly install the right drivers.
Q: If I have 8 USB2 ports, why does Sandra tell me they are USB1.1?
A: When lower speed devices are plugged in, or high speed devices are plugged in without USB2 operating system support, they are routed to the low speed host controllers. High speed devices are routed directly to the Enhanced host controller when operating system support exists.
Base on http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/manuals/29865602.pdf
8. CPU - contributed by Danny! :biggthumbsup:
Q: I have an 800 FSB Pentium 4 CPU, but the bios is set for 200! If I set it to 800 it crashes! What is wrong?
A: The FSB rating of the CPU is 4 times the FSB rating of the motherboard. To quote Intel: "This is accomplished through a physical signaling scheme of quad pumping the data transfers over a 200 MHz clocked system bus and a buffering scheme allowing for sustained 800 MHz data transfers." So valid settings are 100 for a 400FSB CPU, 133 for a 533FSB CPU and 200 for an 800FSB CPU.
Q: The Windows task manager and the Device Manager show I have two CPU's. What's wrong?
A: Your CPU is a model that has Hyperthreading technology and it is enabled in the bios. To quote Intel: "It allows software programs to "see" two processors and work more efficiently. This new technology enables the processor to execute two series, or threads, of instructions at the same time, thereby improving performance and system responsiveness."
Q: Do these boards support Prescott CPU?
Update: Prescott spec is not finalized. There might be more requirements needed other than meeting FMB guideline. It is hard to say if current motherboards can fully support it. [/color]
This is the latest info from MSI. Check this link here
9. Power Management
Q: What are S1/POS and S3/STR modes?
S1/POS = Power On Suspend, nothing turn off just that everything is running in extremely slow.
S3/STR = Suspend to RAM, PSU only powers 5V_STBY to the board for RAM refreshing, the rest all off.
Additionally,
S4 = Suspend to Disk. Win2k/XP calls it "Hibernation" mode. In this mode, the RAM and CPU state images are copied into the HDD. After S4 mode, you can safely remove the power cord.
S5 = Soft Off. PSU still supplies 5V_STBY.
G3 = mechanical off. No power at all to the board.
Q: Where to set the standby modes?
For S1 and S3, you can set the standby mode to either S1 or S3, not both, in the BIOS. Note that Windows cannot choose which standby mode to run. You have to set it in the BIOS.
For S4, you can only set it in Windows 2k/XP (and ME, but not 98).
10. Others
Q: I have MSI FX5900 which has double sided fans, can it fit in the board?
Most boards can fit the FX5900. Including, the NEOs' MS-6728, MS-6758, and others like KT4A ultra, MS6777 Nvidia board.
Q: Why my NB Temp value is always stay the same?
On 875P Neo and 865PE Neo2, there is no NB temp sensor! The value you read from CoreCenter does not mean anything. Please update to the latest CoreCenter.
Q. What are the two lights on my "P" series board for?
A. These are the Overclock Signal Lights:
1. Green, Green: Both AGP and CPU are dynamic overclocking.
2. Green, Red: The memory is overclocking to 533MHz.
3. Red, Green: The external frequency is overclocking to 350MHz, and the frequency between the north bridge and CPU is 1400MHz.
4. Red, Red: CPU is dynamic overclocking now.
There are more to come soon. Please do not reply or request for FAQ contents in this thread. The FAQ will be picked up from the popular threads. Thanks.
Update History:
6/23/2003 : Added onboard sound lost fix
6/25/2003 : Added HDD LED
6/26/2003 : GOOD NEWS!! MAT to be available in all Neo2 boards!
6/27/2003 : SATA, PATA
7/1/2003 : 865G MAT support!!
7/7/2003 : MAT + DOT support
7/7/2003 : Prescott CPU support
7/7/2003 : DDR266 RAM support for 800MHz FSB CPU
7/17/2003 : Prescott CPU support UPDATED
7/18/2003 : SATA & PATA updated
8/15/2003 : latest BIOS updates
8/15/2003 : RAID-1 support for ICH5R
8/16/2003 : RAID configuration
9/02/2003 : beta BIOS updates - 1.81B
9/03/2003 : beta BIOS update for 865 - 1.52B
10/03/2003 : beta BIOS update for 875 - 1.9B3
10/06/2003 : beta BIOS update for 865 - 1.6B2
10/08/2003 : beta BIOS update for 865 - 1.7B1 link provided
10/13/2003 : minor updates on old issues
10/16/2003 : NB temp sensor?
10/19/2003 : Promise IDE3 for non-RAID function
10/20/2003 : Prescott updates
10/21/2003 : FSB:DDR ratio
11/21/2003 : Legacy, Native mode, SATA+PATA Configuration
12/01/2003 : BIOS 1.9B6 for 875P
12/15/2003 : Prescott Support, 250GB HDD support, BIOS 1.9 FINAL
1/11/2004 : BIOS 2.01B for 865PE Neo2, BIOS 3.30 for 865PE Neo2-P
1/12/2004 : USB 2.0 [thanks to Danny for contribution]
1/26/2004 : SATA + PATA Revisited
1/26/2004 : Added 8. CPU [contributed by Danny]
1/27/2004 : Added formatting SATA HDD in WinXP
1/28/2004 : updated on SATA+PATA and links with Danny, Vango44 and Uruk Hai's contributions :biggthumbsup:
1/28/2004 : Added power management
04/05/2004 : Added two lights on "P" series boards [Danny]

Dear [Maesus],
I have tried to duplicate the issue, I saw it only once when I reflash the BIOS and then change the CPU clock setting.
My procedure as below…
1. Boot system
2. Update BIOS to 1.9 version
3. Restart the system to BIOS setting
4. Change the CPU Bus Clock to 229
5. Save the setting & exit and then the system restart automatically
6. And then I saw the CPU is only running 1.86GHz (my CPU is 3.2GHZ FSB 800MHz)
But I would like to explain that my procedure as above is incorrect.
The correct procedure should be as below….
1. Boot system
2. Update BIOS to 1.9 version
3. Restart the system to BIOS setting
4. Load BIOS setup default first
5. Change the CPU Bus Clock to 229
6. Save the setting & exit and then the system restart automatically
7. And then I saw the CPU is running 3.66GHz (my CPU is 3.2GHZ FSB 800MHz)
Note: To load BIOS setup default setting after reflash BIOS that is because all original default setting will be erase after upgrade BIOS. So we always recommend customers to load BIOS default setting first before change any BIOS setting.
BTW, we have updated the BIOS version to support Prescott CPU. Users can decide to update it or not.
The new release BIOS as attach file.
Best regard!
[MSI Staff]

Need info on FSB speeds

I have the MS-6728. The manual says "supports FSB 533 and 800 MHz" The Bios setup says my speed is 133. Am I suppose to change that value in Setup to make the board run correctly? Is it suppose to say 533? I think I'm missing basic info and if you have a good link for this kind of thing I'd appreciate it.
Thanks, Jimminy

The BUS is "Quad pumped" (4 clocks on each cycle) so 133 is correct for 533
800 FSB = 4 x 200 MHz = DDR 400 = PC3200
533 FSB = 4 x 133 MHz = DDR 266 = PC2100
Confusing isnt it :D
EDIT:- Must remember to refresh the page before posting ...didnt see your post Maesus

P43-C51: How to optimize FSB/RAM bus clock ratio

Hi there, is there any way I would be able achieve maximum supported bus throughput of my RAM (DDR3-1600, Bus Clock 800MHz).
Currently I am only able to reach a RAM bus clock of 532MHz with my Dual-Core E6300 2.8GHz at 266MHz FSB using the BIOSs 1:2 FSB/DRAM ratio. I tried using the motherboards on-board OC switch to increase FBS from 266 to 333MHz, but the system won't even boot. With manual FSB adjustment I managed to increase to a stable 300MHz, though this didn't increase the RAM bus clock by much (only to 600MHz, still 200 off of my target).
If the BIOS would support a 1:3 ratio I would not even have to OC as this would give me a desired 266:800 FSB:DRAM ratio. The BIOS gives only a max ratio of 1:2, and as I'm not quite sure how the motherboard or CPU inter-handle the clock values I guess this max ratio is probably there for a reason.
I also speculated that If I could decrease the CPUs Bus/Core ratio from 10.5 to 7 giving me a FSB of 400MHz instead of 266MHz, and if I were to use the FSB:DRAM 1:2 ratio I could get my target RAM bus speed. Unfortunately I have not found a way to modify this on the BIOS.
Many thanks for any suggestions.

Quote from: Jack on 09-September-11, 20:44:50
The 1:2 Ratio is the maximum ratio supported by the chipset. This is a hardware limitation, not a BIOS issue.
Thanks for the clarification.
Quote from: Jack on 09-September-11, 20:44:50
Not even after a CMOS-Clear?
I did clear CMOS severel times after manually adjusting FSB when I was unable to enter back into BIOS, but I'm not sure If I tried the on-board OC straight after a CMOS clear. Or did you mean clearing CMOS after setting the on-board OC?
Will try both when I get back home. Thanks for the tip.

Error message after Upgraded from 2.53ghz (533 FSB) to 3.2ghz (HT)

Hi! everyone,
As you can see i'm a newbie on this board, however I've frequently visited here once in a while. Anyway, the problem I currently have after I upgraded my cpu from 2.53 ghz to 3.2ghz HT (Northwood) is that I not very often (few times so forth since monday) see this error message after reboot my pc :
***Message starts here***
A problem has been detected and windows has been shut down to prevent damage to your computer.
If this is the first time you've seen this stop error restart your computer. If this message appears again, follow these step:
Run system diagnostic utility supplied by your hardware manufacturer. In particularly run a memory check and check for faulty or mismatched memory, try changing video adapters.
Disable or remove any newly installed hardware or drivers....etc.
Technical information
***STOP: 0x0000007F (0x00000008, 0xF7806d70, 0x00000000, 0x00000000)
....................................... ........etc.....
****Message ends here****
As i stated before I've never seen this message before the upgrade. So, here is my configurations:
BEFORE
875P NEO-LSR w/ BIOS v. 2.0
2.53ghz 512 FSB CPU
9500 Readon 128mb video card
Dual IDE HD 80gb & 160 gb (NON SATA)
1gb Dual channel memory (512mb on channel 1 - 512mb on channel 3) (KINGSTON pc2700 module)
CURRENT
857P NEO-LSR w/BIOS v. 2.0
3.2ghz 800 FSB 512mb (L2 cache) CPU
9500 Readon 128mb video card
Dual IDE HD 80gb & 160 gb (NON SATA)
1gb Dual channel memory (512mb stick on channel 1 - 512mb stick on channel 3) (KINGSTON pc2700 module) *
* may be this causes this error message because as I read it on the discription page of the 875P NEO-LSR that it will only support DUAL channel (PC3200 type) with HT CPU. So, i suspect this may cause the problem but I havent try to rearrange my memory to one channel (1 x 2) yet.
I will greatly appreciate it if someone in here who may has experienced it before or know what all this means. Please advise

Thanks for your advise bejon2000.
Here is my situation, I just freshly installed Windows XP Pro w/SP2 prior to this cpu upgrade ...I did the os last weekend and upgraded the cpu the day or two after which is monday of this week. So, can I just do the BIOS update now with the os already inplaced ??? I assum the aswer is yes, however I just wanted to confirm before I do it, you know
I've SiSoftware Utilities 2004 installed on the system as well, and after I did the Performance Tune-Up in SiSoftware ...This is what I got
SiSoftware Sandra
Display on Screen
Device Type : Desktop/Notebook
System Summary
Analysing...
Tip 2546 : Large memory modules should be ECC/Parity.
Finished Successfully : Yes
****Mainboard Information
Analysing...
Power / Aux Temperature : 59.0°C / 138.2°F
Notice 224 : SMBIOS/DMI information may be inaccurate.
Tip 2505 : System does not support memory error detection. Some memory errors may go unnoticed.
Warning 2506 : System does not support memory error correction. System will stop if memory errors are found.
Tip 2511 : Some memory slots are free so the memory can be easily upgraded.
Tip 2546 : Large memory modules should be ECC/Parity.
Warning 2518 : Mainboard temperature is too high.
Finished Successfully : Yes
***CPU & BIOS Information
Analysing...
Tip 210 : Processor 1 : Mainboard supports faster CPUs, so the CPU can be upgraded when needed.
Notice 224 : Processor 1 : SMBIOS/DMI information may be inaccurate.
Notice 224 : System BIOS : SMBIOS/DMI information may be inaccurate.
Tip 212 : System BIOS : BIOS can be shadowed so check whether it is.
Tip 211 : System BIOS : BIOS is flash-able and socketed so it can be upgraded when needed.
Finised Successfully : Yes
APM & ACPI Information
Analysing...
Notice 224 : SMBIOS/DMI information may be inaccurate.
Finished Successfully : Yes
PCI, AGP, CardBus Bus(es) Information
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes
Video System Information
Analysing...
Tip 319 : Primary Display Driver (display) : A refresh rate of at least 75Hz is recommended. Increase it if possible.
Tip 323 : Primary Display Driver (display) : Remove the desktop wallpaper to save memory and improve performance.
Tip 319 : RADEON 9500 (\\.\DISPLAY1) @ \\.\DISPLAY1 : A refresh rate of at least 75Hz is recommended. Increase it if possible.
Tip 323 : RADEON 9500 (\\.\DISPLAY1) @ \\.\DISPLAY1 : Remove the desktop wallpaper to save memory and improve performance.
Finished Successfully : Yes
Windows Memory Information
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes
Drives Information
Analysing...
Warning : 1.44MB 3.5" (A:) : Cannot obtain drive information; check that a disk is in the drive and it is correctly formatted.
Warning : CD-ROM/DVD (F:) : Cannot obtain drive information; check that a disk is in the drive and it is correctly formatted.
Warning : Removable Drive (G:) : Cannot obtain drive information; check that a disk is in the drive and it is correctly formatted.
Tip 1821 : Removable Drive (H:) : Label (name) drive.
Finished Successfully : Yes
Ports Information
Analysing...
Warning : Communications Port (COM1) : Port in use. [5]
Finished Successfully : Yes
Keyboard Information
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes
Mouse Information
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes
Sound Card Information
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes
Printer and Fax Information
Analysing...
Tip 402 : PaperPort Color : Print quality may have been set too low. Check settings.
Finished Successfully : Yes
MCI Devices Information
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes
Windows Information
Analysing...
Tip 1300 : Enter your company name or "Home" instead of "Unknown".
Finished Successfully : Yes
WinSock Information
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes
Processes Information
Analysing...
Tip 1601 : 6. tinhbuon0e - ********* - Winamp [Stopped] : Program consumes a large amount of memory.
Tip 1601 : Adobe Photoshop - [main.psd @ 90.9% (Layer 4, RGB/8)] : Program consumes a large amount of memory.
Tip 1601 : Adobe ImageReady : Program consumes a large amount of memory.
Finished Successfully : Yes
Modules Information
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes
OLE Information
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes
DirectX Information
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes
Network Information
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes
SCSI Information
Analysing...
Warning 2600 : WDC WD80 0JB-00CRA1 : SCSI version does not adhere to ANSI. Probably ATA/ATAPI device.
Warning 2600 : Maxtor 6 Y160P0 : SCSI version does not adhere to ANSI. Probably ATA/ATAPI device.
Warning 2600 : TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-M1712 : SCSI version does not adhere to ANSI. Probably ATA/ATAPI device.
Warning 2600 : PLEXTOR DVDR PX-716A : SCSI version does not adhere to ANSI. Probably ATA/ATAPI device.
Finished Successfully : Yes
Font Information
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes
CMOS Information
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes
OpenGL Video Information
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes
Services Information
Analysing...
Tip 2130 : Alerter : Service may be disabled on Home/Professional OS version.
Tip 2130 : Error Reporting Service : Service may be disabled on Home/Professional OS version.
Tip 2130 : Help and Support : Service may be disabled on Home/Professional OS version.
Tip 2130 : Removable Storage : Service may be disabled on Home/Professional OS version.
Tip 2130 : IPSEC Services : Service may be disabled on Home/Professional OS version.
Tip 2130 : Remote Registry : Service may be disabled on Home/Professional OS version.
Tip 2130 : Secondary Logon : Service may be disabled on Home/Professional OS version.
Tip 2130 : Windows Image Acquisition (WIA) : Service may be disabled on Home/Professional OS version.
Tip 2130 : Distributed Link Tracking Client : Service may be disabled on Home/Professional OS version.
Finished Successfully : Yes
ATA/ATAPI Information
Analysing...
Warning 3100 : ATA device (fixed) : SMART not enabled; consider enabling for safety.
Warning 3103 : ATA device (fixed) : Acoustic Management enabled. Peformance may be impaired.
Finished Successfully : Yes
Data Sources Information
Analysing...
Error : Could not connect to the database. : Could not connect to the database.
Error : Could not connect to the database. : Could not connect to the database.
Error : Could not connect to the database. : Could not connect to the database.
Error : Could not connect to the database. : Could not connect to the database.
Tip 3001 : ODBC Information : ODBC driver support old; should support ODBC 3.52 or later.
Error : Tables/Views : No tables/views found.
Error : Procedures/Functions : No procedures/functions found.
Finished Successfully : Yes
Hardware IRQ Settings
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes
DMA Settings
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes
I/O Settings
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes
Memory Resources
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes
Plug & Play Enumerator
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes
Performance Tune-up Wizard
Finished Successfully : Yes
There are actually some notices on MAINBOARD INFORMATION & CPU & BIOS INFORMATION, however I'm not sure what exactly they mean though.
******UPDATED*****
here is the last part of the error that i described in my first post, I just saw it again right now
****STOP: 0x.......
**** sysaudio.sys - Address F6EAA481 base at F6EA7000, Datestamp 41107F1a
Beginning dump of physical memory
Dumping physical memory to disk: (counting from 1 to 99 then it shut down the computer)

Dual Processor Board??

I AM STARTING TO BUILD MY NEW SYSTEM AND WANTED TO GO DUAL PROCESSORS, ONLY REASON BEING I PLAY LOTS OF GAMES AND I ALSO DO 3D ANIMATION. I AM ALSO THINKING OF GOING WITH ONE OF THE 3D LABS WILDCAT GRAPHICS CARDS AND "MASS" RAM.
ANYWAYS I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR A DUAL PROCESSOR MOTHERBOARD AND I HAVENT BEEN ABLE TO FIND ONE. I AM LOOKING FOR TOP OF A TOP OF LINE BOARD HOPFULLY ONE WITH 800 FSB AND SUPPORTS DDR RAM 400 ALTEAST. THE ONLY DUAL BOARDS I HAVE FOUND ARE LIKE P2 AND P3, BUT I AM LEANING TOWARDS AN AMD FX-51 PROCESSOR RIGHT NOW.
ANY INFO OR SUGGESTIONS WOULD BE AWSOME. THANKS EVERYONE!!!

Hi,
Look under the Server/Workstation boards....
But they only support 1 FX....for Dual support you need the Opteron 2xx series...

Hp g60-213em , gl40, t1600 cpu , can this system take a 800mhz fsb upgrade cpu ,,,

hi. trying to upgrade a hp g60-213em , gl40 chipset t1600 cpu fsb 600mhz ,,, but intel state that the gl40 chipset can run 800mhz fsb cpu , is this possible and can this system run a 800 mhz fsb cpu ,, such as intel core 2 duo t6600 800 fsb or intel core 2 duo t7800 800fsb or am i stuck with 667 fsb an the best cpu would be intel pentium dual core t5850 667fsb... please help
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hi. trying to upgrade a hp g60-213em , gl40 chipset t1600 cpu fsb 600mhz ,,, but intel state that the gl40 chipset can run 800mhz fsb cpu , is this possible and can this system run a 800 mhz fsb cpu ,, such as intel core 2 duo t6600 800 fsb or intel core 2 duo t7800 800fsb or am i stuck with 667 fsb an the best cpu would be intel pentium dual core t5850 667fsb... please help
Your system board is compatible with:
the following Intel Core2 Duo processors (2-MB L2 cache, 800-MHz FSB):
T5900 2.2-GHz processor
T5800 2.0-GHz processor
Intel Core2 Duo processors (3-MB L2 cache, 1066-MHz FSB):
P8600 2.4-GHz processor
P8400 2.26-GHz processor
P7350 2.0-GHz processor
Intel Core2 Duo processors 6-MB L2 cache, 1066-MHz front bus (FSB)):
T9400 2.53-GHz processor
T9600 2.8-GHz processor
Your notebook has BIOS support for more processors than most do. You chose wisely.
Best regards,
erico
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[VIA Series] Inncorrect FSB issue

I have recently purchased the new PM8M-V series mobo, 1 stick of kingston KVR 512MB ddr400 RAM and a P4E 3.0Ghz 800mhz fsb processor.
After putting the pats in and setting up my system, I notice in the BIOS that the system FSB is at 200mhz. The board is supposed to be a 800/533 mhz FSB board and the RAM I have is PC3200 DDR 400 kingston RAM. The processor is a 800mhz FSB processor. Why does my BIOS show the FSB as 200Mhz? How do I get it to go to 400, 533, or 800 Mhz? The manual that came with the board is very sparse on information pertaining to configuration.
Please help!

it is because of the QUAD PUMPED bus speed, this means, QUAD PUMPED= 200 Mhz FSBx4=800MHZ FSB speed. that simple.
and your processor speed is determined by 200mhz FSB x 15 multiplier = 3.0 Ghz

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