817 simple standby database questions

i read the standby concept and tried to look for an answer on the web but couldn't get it.
1. if i will use manage recovery enviroment can i lose transaction when the primary server is down?
i read that it transfers the archive logs to the standby database but if the primary server "exploded" then i will lose all the transaction that in the online redo log and didn't archived yet.
is it true ? am i missing something here ?
2. if i will use a standby database is it important to have a regular hot backup of the primary/standby databases ?
3. i still don't know if my net8 connection is down and my standby enviroment is manage recovery , what is the efect on the primary server ?
thanks

Hi zvika,
I have make a standby 8i the last week, and I will try to answer your questions :
1. Yes, you lose the all transaction from the last redolog which is not archived. When you have a standby database, you accept a minimum data lose.
2. It's not necessary, if the standby is ok, you don't need a cold backup. You can save all archive files since the last cold backup.
3. In this case, you have a warning (or error message) into the alert.log from primary database. And error message into v$archived_log view at standby line into your primary database. After what, it's depend if the init.ora parameter "log_archive_dest_n" for the standby dest is optional (recommanded) or mandatory.
If optional, there is nothing to make, Oracle make itself.
If mandatory (not recommanded), primary database stop all new entries (you need to change log_archive_dest_n to optional) and you need to copy manually all archive files which are created since the network problem and reapply manually it into the standby database.
Hope this will help,
Nicolas.

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    Oracle Database 10g Enterprise Edition Release 10.2.0.4.0 - 64bit Production
    With the Partitioning, OLAP, Data Mining and Real Application Testing options
    Windows Server 2003 Version V5.2 Service Pack 2
    CPU : 8 - type 8664, 2 Physical Cores
    Process Affinity : 0x0000000000000000
    Memory (Avail/Total): Ph:8414M/16378M, Ph+PgF:10750M/17814M
    Instance name: stutest
    Redo thread mounted by this instance: 1
    Oracle process number: 43
    Windows thread id: 5764, image: ORACLE.EXE (LNS1)
    *** SERVICE NAME:(SYS$BACKGROUND) 2010-08-03 15:50:35.996
    *** SESSION ID:(213.29604) 2010-08-03 15:50:35.996
    *** 2010-08-03 15:50:35.996 60512 kcrr.c
    LNS1: initializing for LGWR communication
    LNS1: connecting to KSR channel
    Success
    LNS1: subscribing to KSR channel
    Success
    *** 2010-08-03 15:50:35.996 60565 kcrr.c
    LNS1: initialized successfully ASYNC=1
    Destination is specified with ASYNC=61440
    Redo shipping client performing standby login
    *** 2010-08-03 15:50:36.043 68145 kcrr.c
    Logged on to standby successfully
    Client logon and security negotiation successful!
    Archiving to destination STUSTDBY ASYNC blocks=20480
    Allocate ASYNC blocks: Previous blocks=0 New blocks=20480
    Log file opened [logno 2]
    *** 2010-08-03 16:00:58.344
    Archiving to destination STUSTDBY ASYNC blocks=20480
    Log file opened [logno 1]
    *** 2010-08-03 16:04:44.383
    Archiving to destination STUSTDBY ASYNC blocks=20480
    Log file opened [logno 3]
    *** 2010-08-03 16:07:36.794
    Archiving to destination STUSTDBY ASYNC blocks=20480
    Log file opened [logno 2]
    stutest_lgwr_4092.trc
    Dump file c:\oracle\admin\stutest\bdump\stutest_lgwr_4092.trc
    Fri Jul 30 17:01:59 2010
    ORACLE V10.2.0.4.0 - 64bit Production vsnsta=0
    vsnsql=14 vsnxtr=3
    Oracle Database 10g Enterprise Edition Release 10.2.0.4.0 - 64bit Production
    With the Partitioning, OLAP, Data Mining and Real Application Testing options
    Windows Server 2003 Version V5.2 Service Pack 2
    CPU : 8 - type 8664, 2 Physical Cores
    Process Affinity : 0x0000000000000000
    Memory (Avail/Total): Ph:13601M/16378M, Ph+PgF:10927M/17814M
    Instance name: stutest
    Redo thread mounted by this instance: 1
    Oracle process number: 6
    Windows thread id: 4092, image: ORACLE.EXE (LGWR)
    *** 2010-07-30 17:01:59.622
    *** SERVICE NAME:() 2010-07-30 17:01:59.606
    *** SESSION ID:(221.1) 2010-07-30 17:01:59.606
    Maximum redo generation record size = 156160 bytes
    Maximum redo generation change vector size = 150676 bytes
    *** 2010-07-30 22:01:00.446
    Warning: log write time 770ms, size 2KB
    *** 2010-07-30 22:08:37.586
    Warning: log write time 1120ms, size 9KB
    *** 2010-07-30 22:08:41.258
    Warning: log write time 680ms, size 7KB
    *** 2010-07-30 22:09:58.244
    Warning: log write time 660ms, size 1KB
    *** 2010-07-30 22:11:21.388
    Warning: log write time 860ms, size 6KB
    *** 2010-07-30 23:42:11.203
    Warning: log write time 580ms, size 1KB
    *** 2010-07-31 00:04:13.917
    Warning: log write time 980ms, size 8KB
    *** 2010-07-31 00:06:40.422
    Warning: log write time 930ms, size 22KB
    *** 2010-07-31 00:08:11.940
    Warning: log write time 1800ms, size 23KB
    *** 2010-07-31 21:13:33.694
    Warning: log write time 1460ms, size 40KB
    *** 2010-07-31 21:13:39.522
    Warning: log write time 2790ms, size 87KB
    *** 2010-07-31 21:13:46.054
    Warning: log write time 4940ms, size 69KB
    *** 2010-07-31 21:13:50.038
    Warning: log write time 3980ms, size 81KB
    *** 2010-07-31 21:13:55.616
    Warning: log write time 5580ms, size 61KB
    *** 2010-07-31 21:14:01.726
    Warning: log write time 6110ms, size 77KB
    *** 2010-07-31 21:14:08.258
    Warning: log write time 3530ms, size 140KB
    *** 2010-07-31 21:14:19.508
    Warning: log write time 1500ms, size 3KB
    *** 2010-07-31 22:07:49.954
    Warning: log write time 930ms, size 1KB
    *** 2010-07-31 23:16:01.054
    Warning: log write time 1080ms, size 103KB
    *** 2010-07-31 23:17:52.854
    Warning: log write time 1360ms, size 3KB
    *** 2010-07-31 23:23:26.631
    Warning: log write time 710ms, size 2KB
    *** 2010-08-01 00:04:58.476
    Warning: log write time 690ms, size 13KB
    *** 2010-08-01 00:06:51.980
    Warning: log write time 590ms, size 20KB
    *** 2010-08-01 00:07:38.153
    Warning: log write time 1540ms, size 28KB
    *** 2010-08-01 00:08:02.748
    Warning: log write time 770ms, size 64KB
    *** 2010-08-01 00:11:04.628
    Warning: log write time 1140ms, size 43KB
    *** 2010-08-01 17:05:49.886
    Warning: log write time 780ms, size 3KB
    *** 2010-08-01 21:00:46.571
    Warning: log write time 910ms, size 365KB
    *** 2010-08-01 21:09:22.447
    Warning: log write time 2910ms, size 22KB
    *** 2010-08-01 21:09:27.932
    Warning: log write time 4430ms, size 62KB
    *** 2010-08-01 21:09:34.010
    Warning: log write time 6060ms, size 74KB
    *** 2010-08-01 21:09:40.088
    Warning: log write time 3080ms, size 150KB
    *** 2010-08-01 21:09:45.495
    Warning: log write time 2410ms, size 99KB
    *** 2010-08-01 21:09:50.370
    Warning: log write time 4870ms, size 40KB
    *** 2010-08-01 21:09:55.401
    Warning: log write time 5030ms, size 82KB
    *** 2010-08-01 21:09:59.151
    Warning: log write time 3610ms, size 65KB
    *** 2010-08-01 23:05:40.560
    Warning: log write time 720ms, size 4KB
    *** 2010-08-01 23:06:05.030
    Warning: log write time 1670ms, size 21KB
    *** 2010-08-01 23:17:55.537
    Warning: log write time 1540ms, size 116KB
    *** 2010-08-01 23:23:35.891
    Warning: log write time 600ms, size 1KB
    *** 2010-08-02 00:05:52.363
    Warning: log write time 1340ms, size 48KB
    *** 2010-08-02 00:06:43.427
    Warning: log write time 1060ms, size 24KB
    *** 2010-08-02 00:06:50.177
    Warning: log write time 1730ms, size 209KB
    *** 2010-08-02 00:07:08.256
    Warning: log write time 950ms, size 17KB
    *** 2010-08-02 00:11:25.436
    Warning: log write time 1690ms, size 8KB
    *** 2010-08-02 00:12:11.313
    Warning: log write time 850ms, size 45KB
    *** 2010-08-02 00:13:55.754
    Warning: log write time 560ms, size 3KB
    *** 2010-08-02 11:27:52.686
    Warning: log write time 1440ms, size 46KB
    *** 2010-08-02 11:27:58.780
    Warning: log write time 3790ms, size 54KB
    *** 2010-08-02 11:28:02.546
    Warning: log write time 3760ms, size 70KB
    *** 2010-08-02 11:28:08.483
    Warning: log write time 5940ms, size 74KB
    *** 2010-08-02 11:28:13.812
    Warning: log write time 2330ms, size 139KB
    *** 2010-08-02 11:28:18.796
    Warning: log write time 1980ms, size 79KB
    *** 2010-08-02 11:28:25.093
    Warning: log write time 3360ms, size 88KB
    *** 2010-08-02 11:28:29.421
    Warning: log write time 4330ms, size 38KB
    *** 2010-08-02 16:10:45.927
    Warning: log write time 590ms, size 3KB
    *** 2010-08-02 22:08:57.806
    Warning: log write time 700ms, size 37KB
    *** 2010-08-02 23:07:22.262
    Warning: log write time 1750ms, size 234KB
    *** 2010-08-02 23:13:44.993
    Warning: log write time 1410ms, size 17KB
    *** 2010-08-03 00:04:08.387
    Warning: log write time 670ms, size 6KB
    *** 2010-08-03 00:07:44.347
    Warning: log write time 1890ms, size 1024KB
    *** 2010-08-03 00:08:14.395
    Warning: log write time 1680ms, size 1024KB
    *** 2010-08-03 00:08:26.817
    Warning: log write time 570ms, size 36KB
    *** 2010-08-03 00:08:39.427
    Warning: log write time 1540ms, size 1024KB
    *** 2010-08-03 00:08:50.818
    Warning: log write time 1810ms, size 1025KB
    *** 2010-08-03 00:08:58.990
    Warning: log write time 1640ms, size 942KB
    *** 2010-08-03 00:09:21.303
    Warning: log write time 1580ms, size 1024KB
    *** 2010-08-03 00:09:33.710
    Warning: log write time 1790ms, size 1025KB
    *** 2010-08-03 00:09:42.382
    Warning: log write time 1860ms, size 1024KB
    *** 2010-08-03 00:09:50.945
    Warning: log write time 1590ms, size 1024KB
    *** 2010-08-03 10:28:34.753
    Warning: log write time 2330ms, size 47KB
    *** 2010-08-03 10:29:44.440
    Warning: log write time 810ms, size 1KB
    *** 2010-08-03 10:32:27.392
    Warning: log write time 890ms, size 1KB
    *** 2010-08-03 10:36:02.536
    Warning: log write time 2070ms, size 8KB
    *** 2010-08-03 10:44:34.174
    Warning: log write time 740ms, size 7KB
    *** 2010-08-03 12:04:46.687
    Warning: log write time 2850ms, size 86KB
    *** 2010-08-03 12:04:52.656
    Warning: log write time 2970ms, size 85KB
    *** 2010-08-03 12:04:54.547
    Warning: log write time 1810ms, size 45KB
    *** 2010-08-03 14:06:20.827
    Warning: log write time 500ms, size 0KB
    *** 2010-08-03 14:13:46.404
    Warning: log write time 820ms, size 0KB
    *** 2010-08-03 15:50:32.996
    *** 2010-08-03 15:50:32.996 57052 kcrr.c
    Initializing NetServer[LNS1] for dest=STUSTDBY mode ASYNC
    Initializing PGA storage for Netserver communication
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    Starting LNS1 ...
    Subscribing to KSR Channel [id=1]
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    Indicating recv buffer for KSR Channel [id=1]
    success
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    Performing a channel reset to ignore previous responses
    Connecting as publisher to KSR Channel [id=1]
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    *** 2010-08-03 15:50:36.012 57846 kcrr.c
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    *** 2010-08-03 16:00:58.266
    *** 2010-08-03 16:00:58.266 57052 kcrr.c
    Initializing NetServer[LNS1] for dest=STUSTDBY mode ASYNC
    LNSb is not running anymore.
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    LGWR detected that Async LNS1 [pid 5764] is already running
    *** 2010-08-03 16:04:44.289
    *** 2010-08-03 16:04:44.289 57052 kcrr.c
    Initializing NetServer[LNS1] for dest=STUSTDBY mode ASYNC
    LNSb is not running anymore.
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    Previous Async LNS1 [pid 5764] is running .. no need to start another one
    LGWR detected that Async LNS1 [pid 5764] is already running
    *** 2010-08-03 16:07:36.747
    *** 2010-08-03 16:07:36.747 57052 kcrr.c
    Initializing NetServer[LNS1] for dest=STUSTDBY mode ASYNC
    LNSb is not running anymore.
    Check if new Async LNS1 needs to be started..
    Previous Async LNS1 [pid 5764] is running .. no need to start another one
    LGWR detected that Async LNS1 [pid 5764] is already running
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