865PE Neo2-FIS2R and Geil memory problem

With 512MB (2x256) of Corsair XMS 3700, the system is perfectly stable (runs 24/7 crunching for UD, also have done Prime95 torture test).
With 1-GB (2x512) of Geil PC4000 Ultra Platinum, the system is very unstable. It usually won't even boot fully into Windows without a BSOD (which vary) or if it does get into Windows it crashed soon thereafter.
If I put the Corsair memory back in (like I have them right now, to be able to use the system to post this message), the system is back to 100% stable, so it seems to be entirely a memory-related problem.
MSI 865PE Neo2-FIS2R (MS-6728)
Intel P4 2.4C 800FSB (HT enabled) @ 3.19-GHz
AVC Sunflower 2 HSF
420-W PS
Windows XP Pro SP1a
BIOS settings:
Dynamic OC Disabled
Performance mode Slow
DRAM Freq 266
CPU Bus 266
DDR Clock 354
AGP/PCI 67/34
CPU vCore 1.6000
DDR volts 2.70
AGP volts 1.50
SPD Disabled
3-4-4-8, 4 burst
Have run MemTest standard test on the Geil modules individually and as a pair, and have tried different slots. Testing thus far shows no errors when each module is installed separately, but when used in a pair there are sometimes errors shown.
Have tried the modules in slots 1,3 and slots 2,4 with no difference.
Have tried setting DDR voltage from 2.70 up to 2.85v for the Geil (approved up to 2.9v) with no apparent change in stability.
Have tried changing Spread Spectrum setting between enabled and disabled. Disabled seems to be better, but problem remains.
Have tried using SPD disabled with settings listed above, and SPD enabled (which sets timings at 2.5-4-4-8,8).
Edit: I'd asked for advice, but then realized that the very limited timeframe in which I could return the Geil would expire if I waited beyond business hours today. So I've RMA'd the Geil and have ordered a 1-GB Corsair TwinX XMS 3700 pack instead.

I've had similar problems to you but with Corsair TwinX LL's and if you read back a month in this forum you will see others have also with various memories on the 865 FISR.
The fix I found was Kingston memory but others have had problems with Kingston. There was a thread running a week or two ago attempting to document successful memory mobo combinations.
Bottom line, stick with what works on your mobo until MSI fix the incompatability/instability issues.

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Zalman CNPS7000-CU & 865PE Neo2 FIS2R

I was just wondering if there is enough room for this cooler.
Cause the Northwood cooler (the one with the LED's) is kind of big.
If you use have this board (865PE Neo2 FIS2R) and the cooler (Zalman CNPS7000-CU) then please tell me the idle/load temps for it, and please include which BIOS version (1.0 - 1.3) you're using.
Thanks for your help.

Well bought it - installed it - and it was hmm easy - other then I needed some help from my mum - or a third hand to screw the screwdriver while I pushed the thing down - other then that it went like a charm...
And my temp went down to bellow 30 C with 5V ( Arctic Silver III ) but then I put in some noise dampening matterial in my case and now its arround 45 C :(
SIGH ---
Next I will remove the NB fan and since it aint got no screw holes I have to glue the replacement heatsink to the NB --

865PE NEO2 FIS2R memory problem

I have this 865PE NEO2 FIS2R with a 3ghz northwood (512K cache, 800 fsb).
initially I bought a 1GB Geil PC3500 DDR dual channel kit. installed those into slot 1 and 3, installed windows...during install I would get blue screens. recently I bought a new PC-3700 DDR dual channel kit (industry standard generic stuff). I bought those cause the place I got it from claimed it works on the i875 NEO FIS2R. I figured if it works on the 875P, it should work on the 865PE. with the new memory I get blue screens a tad more often.
I tried both geil sticks again this time as single channel in slots 1 and 2 (Ch. A). I still got blue screens. I did the same with the new PC-3700 RAM, blue screens with that too.
I took those sticks out, and tried 1 Geil PC-3500 stick in slot 1, no blue screens.
Whats the deal here? shouldn't dual channel memory work as dual channel in a dual channel board? WHy can't I use 2 sticks of the same RAM in this board!
is it just incompatiable with geil dual channel? If so what about the PC-3700 RAM I tried as dual. I am thinking about trying a set of OCZ dual channel RAM, but I feel I already got $400 worth of RAM I can't use, I don't really want to waste another $200 if this is just a crappy board.
I'm thinking of just getting the new Asus with the SiS 655TX chipset, supposed to be faster anyway. 2 sticks of RAM would most likely work in that board.
I really don't want to spend anymore money on this though...I spent enough.
the specs:
P4 3ghz northwood
865PE NEO2 FIS2R (with updated 2.3 bios)
Chieftech 650 watt Power supply 36A, 36A, & 32A
BFG geforce FX 5900 Ultra 256MB (also tried an old geforce 2 mx 32MB)
memory tried: 1GB geil PC-3500 dual channel kit & 1GB generic dual channel kit
3com Network interface card
WD 120GB SE hard drive
Plextor 8X DVD-RW drive
Lite on 16X DVDROM drive

This problem is not yet solved....
I tried increasing the ram voltage to 2.8v, it ran fine for about 3 days...then boom..restart
I am seeing other people are having the same problem with these 865/875 boards.
after raising the ram voltage didn't work I tried unplugging all of my extra hard drives 1 by 1 with the memory set to 2.7v.
I am at the point where I have only my boot drive connected with the two DVD drives.
But I am still thinking its my power supply...that power supply caculator page says I need a 519 watt PS?? I have a true550 which is only 530 watt max.
If I do need to add 20% to the power calculated, I would need a 622 watt PS???
I am running speedfan now....how low is the voltages ok to drop to?
the +12 dropped to 11.19, max is 11.80
the rest of the voltages are staying more or less constant .
Oh yea, on occasion the nb fan stops, I get a warning in corecenter saying 0 RPMs.
Also I can't set the fans to high speed, 6000RPM for the nb, and 5000RPM for the CPU.
If I set corecenter to user, and move the slide up to 8, the max is only 3375RPM for the CPU and 3750RPM for the NB fan.
Also every once in awhile the power LED on my case will go out while the system is running.
But thats been doing that for awhile now!
I'm thinking I will connect up my other hard drives again and run this speed fan program again.
update:
I reconnected my drives, ran speed fan, noticed it stops responding after 10 min...I get an error saying smbus cannot be scanned...or something like that.
Also I've got errors when downloading saying I have no ports available. it sounds like the bus is shutting down??
This is not the only MSI 865PE NEO2 FIS2R I have ran into problems with
it looks like I will be getting a new board next week....either an Asus or Abit.

865PE Neo2 -FIS2R Problems

I purchased a brand new MSI 865PE Neo2-FISR along with a P4 2.4C(OEM), a Thermaltake Spark 5c cooler and a Corsair XMS Twinpack(TWINX512-3200C2PT) of DDR400 memory.
The install went fine, the system booted and ran very well right out of the box. I installed the Live Update program from MSI and it updated itself. I then used that utility to generate a BIOS flash/recovery disk to update the bios from 1.10 to 1.30. The update worked fine and I rebooted the machine into Windows XP with no problems.
I then decided to do some tweaking in the new 1.3 BIOS. After several unsuccessful memory/Dynamic Overclocking settings the system refused to boot. I tried the Clear CMOS jumper to reset the defaults but it still would not boot. I checked the D-Bracket, 3 red 1 green(lower right) which indicates that the video card is not initializing. I attempted reseating the video card (a PNY Geforce4 TI4200) with no luck, I then replaced that card with a GeForce4 MX440 SE with no luck. I tried four other video cards, 2 AGP and 2 PCI, with no success.
At this point I pulled the board out of the system and let it sit with the battery out of the board hoping that the BIOS would reset to default values. I reinstalled the board with all the hardware and again the same D-Bracket error with no video generated. I tried different arrangements of memory using the new Corsairs and various other DDR333 & DDR266 again no luck.
What is going on with this thing? How could an errant timing change completely lock out the VGA card? And why can I not clear the settings to allow the card to initialize?
This thing is getting RMA'd soon if I can't find an answer.
Anyone have any ideas or similiar troubles? X(

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Originally posted by gary172
Another thing I don\'t understand about all the isses with BIOS 1.3, performance, RAM and timings etc, is - How can the 865PE Neo2 - FIS2R pretty much come out at the top of the heap in Tom\'s Hardware Test:
\"The board therefore achieves the best performance in the whole test field.\"
http://www6.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20030707/i875p-46.html
with MAT and DOT enabled, without any apparent negative reports of stability.
Is it that he used a Beta Bios: V1.3B3 (06/12/2003)
Or was his MSI board a \'pre-press release\' mobo similar to the ASUS board and the production versions we are buying are missing certain components?
http://www6.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20030603/865_PAT-06.html
Or did he have \'hand picked\' memory from Corsair \"2 x 256 MB, Corsair PC3200 TwinX\" and didn\'t report it?
There are a lot of reviews lately that have it as one of the fastest MB's around at the moment, here are a handful I found:
http://www.mbreview.com/neo2pe-10.php
http://www.thejemreport.com/reviews/865peneo2.htm
http://www.hardwarezone.com/article...&aid=795&page=1
http://www.hexus.net/review.php?review=564&page=1
http://www.pcstats.com/articleview....eid=1402&page=1
http://www.techview.nl/reviews/2959

865PE Neo2 -FIS2R POST problem

I'm having a problem with my newly built system and hoped that someone here might be able to help.
I am using the 865PE Neo2 -FIS2R motherboard with a 3.0Ghz P4 800Mhz FSB and a single 512MB Value Select Corsair RAM (DDR 3200, 200/400Mhz). The installed Video Card is a Leadtek Geforce3 Ti. There are no other expansion cards installed. There is no HDD.
When I power on my PC, I hear 2 short beeps, a pause, and then 8 short beeps. I'm also not getting any video. I looked up the beep codes on the AMI Bios web page. 2 beeps for video card issues and 8 beeps for memory issues.
I think the d-bracket is a great touch, so I check out its LED indicators. It shows the pattern denoting a memory issue. The only other RAM module I have laying around is a single generic PC 2100 266Mhz module. So, I pop it in. When I power on the system I get the same beep codes and LED configuration on the d-bracket.
Are the MSI Neo2 boards extremley picky about RAM? Should I be using two modules as per the RAM population table in the manual? Is there a recommended brand/model of RAM? Is there anything else I should be looking at as the cause?
I plan on picking up some different RAM modules over my lunch break today but before I did I wanted to check with those who know before I blow money on them.
Thanks for any help/advince.

KevinS,
Sad to say but there are some Corsair RAMs are known for instability problems with MSI mobos, especially the Low Latency RAM with the NEOs and NEO2s. That's why MSI has to test the RAMs to make sure that there is a list of confirmed and compatible RAMs for the mobo.
Pheng,
This AVATAR is better than the last one, at least it's not the 3X rated type... but I'll put an NC-16 PG for it hehehe... . Another thing is that I did not say that I hate the previous AVATAR at all... lol... Just feel that it is unsuitable for a tech forum where people from all over the world in all age and genders will be visting and viewing the threads. I hope you understand the suitation here .

865PE Neo2-FIS2R, memory question!

Hi!
I´m thinking of buying memory for the 865PE Neo2-FIS2R mother board and have a few doubts that are on my mind.
1. If I want to use DualMode memory, should I use 256+256 or 512+512.
Lets assume that I buy 2x 256MB and uses them as DualMode.
Can I later put another 2 x 256MB into the computer and use them all as DualMode, (256+256+256+256) or is only possible to use 2 of each size.
Maybee I should buy 1x of 512MB and use it as SingeMode and later complement with another 512 and use them as DualMode.
hmmmmm.......any point of views?
The memory I´m talking about is:
Corsair CMX256A-3500C2 256Mb DDR PC3500 CAS2 434MHz
Corsair CMX512-3500C2 512Mb DDR PC3500 CAS2 434MHz
I assume that they are the same as MSI has in its
"DDR400 Memory Modules Qualified Vender List " and should work just fine with the motherboard.
Regards
WiGGoW

I would not go with that brand of ram. There are alot of issues being talked about involving that ram in this forum. I recommend Kingston and so does MSI. Keep in mind to obtain Ultr-Turbo in Bios you need to buy a latency of 2 or you will get an error message and your bios will reset to slow.

Will Geil Ultra Platinum DDR533 ( 2 x 512 MB ) Work On My 865PE-Neo2-FIS2R

Hey Guys,
Will Geil Ultra Platinum DDR533 ( 2 x 512 MB ) Work On My 865PE-Neo2-FIS2R ??
How Much Will It Overclock Approximately Only When D.O.T Enabled ??
How About Geil Ultra Platinum DDR500 ( 2 x 512 MB ) ??

ok, if you're planning on buying 533 ram , it would prob be a waste to use DOT.. manually OCing will give you best results.. DOT will DEF not use Geil's full potential or even half the speed it shoudl run at.. the DDR 533 should work fine with your board, and if it doesnt just return it.. but should work ok.. i have PC 4000 (DDR 500) now and it works great.. runs fine with 865PE..
DOT is not an exact overclock.. it fluxuates.. i thnk the highest you can get out of DOT is 15%?? (correct me if im wrong).. i dont know how big your CPU is, but that would mean if it were mine (3.0C) mine would go up to 3.45 MAX, and it wouldnt even styay there, it would fluxate, depends on CPU load and programs..
with maunal overclock, you could OC your CPU up to 1.33 times what is is
so FOR EXAMPLE: 3.0ghz ---> 4.0ghz
now, i couldnt do this without some heavy duty cooling, but the ram could do it just fine.. kep that in mind...

865PE Neo2 FIS2R

Hello all. I've searched the forums and read alot of posts about my problem, but seem to be missing the information I am looking for. Let me tell you what is going on. I have the MSI 865PE Neo2 FIS2R mobo ver 1, P4 3.0 800FSB, 1 gig corsair twinx XMS 3200 CL2. My problem is when I try to use this RAM my system will not start. No Post, nothing and the D-bracket shows me memory error code. If I use a strip of crucial from my other PC everything works fine (the crucial is 333mhz at 512mb, cl3). I checked out the RAM compatability report on the MSI site and it was pretty confusing to me. I guess my question is, is my RAM compatible or is there a work around to using the XMS modules?
Other components are as follows:
ATI Radeon 9800XT (256)
48xCD-RW
80gig WD drive (PATA)
431w Enermax PSU
Thanks in advance for your help.

Hi Dink,
great to see someone who has the same config as I have.
My System:
865PE NEO2 FIS2R (Bios 1.8)
CORSAIR TWINX1024-3200C2PRO
ATI Radeon 9800XT
My system is running very stable with Ram-Settings at 2-3-3-6-8 in Turbo/Sergeant. Pls set your timings to these values. This should work.
Now a question to you. I have problems with the ATI 9800XT cards.
1) Do you also see stuttering or lags when running 3DMark2001SE? With ATI 9800XT Reference Cards I experience these lags also in the overlay mode and in Games when turning very fast (egoshooters). You can see what I mean when you install this little tool which changes the background of your WinXP desktop to a psychedelic wormhole: http://www.geisswerks.com/drempels/index.html
After you start this funny tool. Watch out for your desktop. If it isn't runnin 100% smooth you have the same problems as I have. The only 9800XT card which isn't causing this stuttering is the ASUS 9800XT. Could you pls. tell me if you also see these lags? You can increase the stuttering by copying some files from Dir1 to Dir2.
These lags have no impact of benchmark results!
2) Pls could you tell me what's the IRQ of your card? 16? Is it shared with the USB Controller?
3) Who is the manufacturer of your card? Ati itself or Hercules, HIS or Saphire??
If you cannot see this stuttering I would bet you have a ASUS.
Greets Digit
from Germany

Any issues with Koolance CPU-200G on 865PE NEO2 FIS2R?

I'm thinking about getting a Koolance Exos and using the CPU-200G Block on my 865PE NEO2 FIS2R board. Has anyone had any experience, good or bad, with this set up.
My problem is that I just upgraded from a 3 year old Presario that was actually very quiet (what did it have to cool? heh). And now my case has 5 80 MM fans running, a CNPS7000a-AlCu, plus PSU fans, GPU fan, NB fan... fans, fans, fans!!!! And the thing is so freaking loud.
Water-cooling looks like a good solution, but I don't know if
A) the block will fit on the board or
B) would I just be better off removing a couple fans.
Currently, everything is quite cool, I just want to kill the noise!
Thanks for any input or testimonials.

If you don't have any small kids or pets that might get in there, I would suggest removing ALL fan grills. Any time you make air change direction you increase noise. Furthermore with the case of fan grills you also increase air turbulence that disturbs the flow of air lowering cooling efficiency.
Ever listen to how quiet that 80mm fan is by itself when you put it to your ear? Why doesn't it sound like that in the case. The answer air that passes the grills and sharp edges of the computer case and inside makes noise as it hits the edges and surfaces. Eliminating as many of them as you can can aid in turbulence and temperature drop!
Not to mention the competition audio stuff in my thunderbird works great as insulation. Dynamat can kill most any sound, noise or vibration!
Lastly, bigger fans that spin lower RPM's are a key to eliminating sound. Same concept as the CNPS. A good flowing 2500RPM Sunon 80mm fan on your videocard would be just as effective and much quieter than the stock 5000+ RPM fan! You can reduce noise with less heat. I REALLY like the Zalman Heatpipe VGA cooler, but without a case with KILLER airflow, overclocking your card with one can be pretty unpredictable from machine to machine.

Mst 865pe Neo2 Fis2r

:confused2:Im a newbie to MSI boards. I need help with overclocking and fixing glitches.
MSI motherboard 865PE NEO2 FIS2R.
Intel pentium 4 2.4c Ghz.
512 MB Kingston dual channel DDR 500 PC 4000.
Aspire ATX AS500W 12V 500 Watt Power Supply.
Koolance Exos Liquid Cooling System.
ATI RADEON 9600 128MB DDR 8X/4X AGP Direct X 9.0
Please help dying to see what this puppy can do.

Please this overclocking guide:
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?threadid=40413&sid=

Bios update 865PE Neo2 Fis2R

Just setup new system
865PE Neo2 Fis2R, 2.8 P4 retail with fan: Crucial PC3200
512: Maxtor 120 Diamond Max Plus SATA: ATI All in Wonder
7500 64MB: Msi CR52-M
Bios string is 1.00.1030.26
I want to go to version 4. I think this is reasonable!
First time in setup of Bios I noticed the cpu temperature
was 52 C. What is normall range of operation??
I thought over 60 C was cause for concern and would damage the processor!!
I would like to over clock..
thanks, so far looks like a good system. 8)

Msipcfixer911,
Yes it is reasonable to want the latest bios for your new motherboard.
But 1.4 is not the best bios. I would advise you to do some research before upgrading.
As I see it your only choise is between 1.3 and beta 1.52 in known working bios to date.
Also your cpu temp should drop once you upgrade.
There is a lot of informative reading in this forum as any
questions you may have about you motherboard have most likly already been asked and anwsered.

[Other 865 Series] MSI 865PE Neo2-V and Dual Channel Mode Question

Hello, I have a quick question regarding dual channel mode with my current motherboard. I have an MSI 865PE Neo2-V and am wondering if it is possible to enable dual channel mode while having three RAM modules inserted in the motherboard.
For example, I currently have one 512MB PC3200 module in my computer. If I purchase another 512MB module and run them in dual channel mode, will it be possible to buy a 1GB module or another size module, and still have all three slots run in dual channel mode? Or is dual channel only operational on this motherboard if only two of the three slots are occupied?
Thanks.

Dual channel requires an even number of sticks.

[865PE/G Neo2 Series] Question-boot from Promise IDE on 865PE Neo2 FIS2R

I bought my first MSI board a couple of years ago, an 865PE Neo2-LS. When I retired that, I went for an Abit 875P IC7-G. I just hated the Abit board, used it 3 months and replaced it with a new MSI 865PE Ne02 FIS2R.
I didn't reinstall WIndows XP Pro with the new motherboard. Everything seemed to be OK until I could get around to a clean install of XP. One reason I wanted the FIS2R model was that I wanted to use the faster Promise IDE connection for my boot drive. I had a heck of a time getting the drive to boot, but it finally worked. I was having a few problems that I thought a repair reinstall of XP might solve. So, I tried that yesterday.
Now I cannot get the same drive to boot from the Promise IDE controller. I saw that setting were changed in the BIOS and I can't figure out how to set them so I can boot from the C: drive on the Promise. It will boot fine from the regular primary IDE controller, but I want to use that for two other hard drives I use for storage. The secondary IDE connection is for a CDRW and DVDRW drives.
I've looked at the FAQs and read the manuals. How do I just use the IDE on the Promise? What should my BIOS settings look like? The Promise drivers are installed on the boot drive, the system will post and I'll see a flash of the Windows XP intro screen, then a flash of a blue screen and it kicks it back to booting again. I've never been able to see what that blue screen is telling me. THe drives I want to put on the Promise controller are PATA drives, I don't want SATA or RAID, just using the Promise as a third connection for IDE drives.
Thanks for any help anyone can offer. I have tried every imaginable way of setting the BIOS, but can't seem to hit the right combination. That's what I did on my first try when I got it working, hit a lucky combination and it worked.

Thank you. I had already tried the settings in the post you linked to. I had no luck there. I've reinstalled the Promise drivers, but the boot drive refuses to go past the Windows flash screen before resetting. I think it's quite simple what I'm trying to do. I have six drives. On IDE 1 I want to two storage drives to be connected. On IDE 2 I'm putting the Cd and DVD optical drives. On IDE 3 (Promise) I would like to have my boot (master) drive and a slave drive. Rearranging cables I can get the drive to boot from IDE 1, but no luck with IDE 3. I think it's the Promise drivers, they appear to be installed, but I don't think they are working. I'm going to copy the Promise drivers to a floppy and reinstall XP with the boot drive on IDE 3 and see if I get anywhere with that.
The link referred more to SATA and RAID setup, I just want to use the Promise IDE. I'd sure hate to have to put the awful Abit IC7-G back in my system as I can only get 5 IDE devices in that one instead of the 6 the MSI should run.

MSI 865PE Neo2-V and 1GB RAM stick, compatibility?

Hi all,
I've just bought a new mainboard, the MSI 865PE Neo2-V... I read that supports up to 3GB of DDR333, so now I want to buy 2 new RAM modules.
These modules has the specific:
- 184 memory pins
- 1GB RAM
- PC2700 DDR 333MHz
- 2.5 Module
- Non-ECC, Non-Parity
- CAS latency 2.5
- 128 x 64 High density
Can I mount these RAM on my motherboard? On the photo, the RAM has 16 chips of ram; it seems to be "High density" RAM.
Thanks,
Alessandro.

Romulus76, the answer is YES for the chipset; but NOT SURE for the BIOS. I must ask MSI.

PixelGrabber is too slow and has memory problems!

Have any of you figured out a way to get pixels from an Image
WITHOUT using PixelGrabber??
PixelGrabber is really slow -- is a memory hog -- and has other problems
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Does anyone else have a way to get the pixels directly from an Image
without using PixelGrabber?
Ken Warner

Hi, there are ways to do it if you can live with certain restrictions.
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