[875P Neo Series] Dead mobo or dying ??

-Motherboard type and model (MSI 875P NEO-FISR)
-Bios type and revision (Latest)
-CPU type and model (3,2 P4 HT)
-Memory name, model and quantity (2 x Kingston KVR400X72C3A/512)
-Video card name and model plus drivers and version (ATI AX800 PRO)
-Power Supply name, model and the amp rating for the +3.3V, +5V and +12V lines plus any limitation on the +3.3/+5V combined watts. This information can be found on a sticker on the side of the supply. (Q-TEQ ATX 350, 3.3V = 20A, 5V = 0,5A + 35A, 12V = 0,5A + 17A, 5VSB = 2A)
-Hard Drives: (2 X 200 GB WD)
-Optical Drives: Manufacturer and type and which IDE ports they are located on: (NONE)
-Operating system and service pack level: XP SP2
the short version:
the mobo went unstable and started hanging when playing 3D aplications like medal of honour, wolfenstein ET and others...
then the hangs started occuring more rapidly, and now the pc starts VERY randomly
i often have to try to start it 10-15 times before it starts....
the chipset and cpu fan starts, the hd drives starts and the ROM starts, but no signal to vga card.
i have tried to reset chmos, changed vga card, stripped the pc, but nothing works..
and: it has worked for over 7 months without any probs...
is it possible a virus did this ??
can anybody help ???
please ???

350 watts is far to low for your system............
Min AMPS on +12V rail for your system should 24AMPS
Q-Tec do not have good rep and have caused at lot of problems
Try a brand name 450+Watt PSU Enermax or Antec or Hiper series (These I have personally tested)

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Quote from: Din on 04-August-05, 18:09:22
If your devices workin properly in other computer, change your mainboard. What PSU you have? it's have Overvoltage protection? If you dont close the PSU when u shut down your computer, the PSU is giving power in all devices and it's dangerous for your computer. I lost my screen like this, but not my computer cause im always close my PSU
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