[875P Neo Series PCB 2.0] HDD LED & ATA133 support

Hi
I am using the MSI 875P NEO2-FIS2R (MSI 6758) PCB 1.0 and, as most user's know, the HDD LED does not function when S-ATA HDD's are connected to any of the S-ATA ports or when the drives are connected to IDE 3. (I.e. the LED only works when HDD's are connected to IDE1 or IDE2).
Can anyone tell me for sure, if MSI have resolved the HDD LED problem on MSI 875P NEO2-FIS2R (MSI 6758) PCB 2.0?
Also, I have just bought two Maxtor 250GB P-ATA133 drives and, if I'm not mistaken, there is no Promise Controller on PCB 2.0. So does that mean my drives will only operate at UDMA 5 instead of UDMA 6?
And lastly, what are the differences between PCB 1.0 and PCB 2.0?
Regards
Brave01Heart

Hi Danny & Thunder
Many thanks for your responses.
Danny: Yes, I understand what you are saying about the transfer rates but despite that, provided my Maxtor ATA133 drives (with a 16MB cache) were connected to IDE3 on a PCB 1.0 board, they would be detected as ATA133 drives and UDMA6 would still be shown during POST and also in Device Manager.
# Perhaps you would like to comment on my questions for Thunder?
Thunder: It's nice to know that the HDD LED is now working for S-ATA connected drives on PCB 2.0 of the MSI 875P board, but am I correct in saying that there is no support for ATA133 drives on the PCB 2.0 board?
If your answer is no, then with the primary/secondary IDE1 & IDE2 ports being ATA100, why on earth have MSI removed the IDE3 port on PCB 2.0 version, thus removing all support for ATA133 drives?
That seems crazy to me!
I was going to buy the MSI 875P PCB 2.0 board but if version 2 no longer offers any ATA133 support for my drives, then I may as well stick with PCB 1.0.
Regards
Brave01Heart

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First off, hello to you all. This is my first time here since I recently bought an MSI board.
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[875P Neo Series] Dead mobo or dying ??

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Hi,
I have a problem with my 875P NEO FIS2R mobo. I just added a 400GB SATA RAID-0 array to the Promise controller and now I get a 50 second bootup delay after the BIOS has run through everything and beeped and before the first WinXP splash screen.
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When I first installed my system I tested performance with booting from a single SATA drive on ICH5R vs Promise and I noticed the same issue, but didn't care then because I only needed one disk so I just kept Promise disabled in BIOS.
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Regards,
Jonathan

Sorry I have been a away for a few days.
Details requested...
Quote from: redeyedog on 21-June-05, 05:50:27
If the Promise controller was out of the picture (Disabled), and you have the SCSI adaptor and its devices setup:
1. What is the adaptor's SCSI ID?
7
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2. List devices, position in the chain and their corresponding SCSI ID's.
#7 Adaptec 2930CU card
#4 Nikon Coolscan LS30 scanner
#3 Umax Astra 1220S scanner
#5 Iomega ZIP 100 drive
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3. What type of terminination are you using?
Adaptec card has auto-termination.
ZIP drive has a termination connector attached.
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4. Are the devices in the chain functioning properly?
Yes.
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I agree that your problem is your SCSI controller. There may not be anything actually wrong with it. The 2930 was an agressive controller card and its BIOS simply may not coexist with your motherboard's BIOS optimally. Even with the BIOS disabled, it may be competing with the motherboard's request for handlers.
You may want to check to see if there is a BIOS update on Adaptec's website. Adaptec usually released 1 or 2 updates for each SCSI generation they produced. It may or may not help but we need to make sure you have the latest BIOS released.
Unfortunately, this card cannot be reflashed.
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At any rate, I think you have found the component which is responsible for the delay. I'm willing to assist in diagnosing the issue but I need you to provide the specific information I'm requesting.
Also, try to do a CTRL-Pause to catch exactly what the BIOS version is and any other information which is showing up with the BIOS disabled. The SCSI adaptor BIOS, in fact, should not be enabled in your SCSI configuration as you have described thus far.
Adaptec AHA 2930CU SCSI BIOS v1.34.1.
There seems to be a difference between BIOS and host adapter BIOS. You always get the BIOS screen, but you can disable the host adapter BIOS if it is not required.
I am pretty sure it is not the SCSI chain that is wonr because the pause happens with nothing connected to the card.
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MSI 875p NEO FISR no vcore adjustment for prescott?
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Prescott Dangerous Tweeks
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PS - I am running at 3.59 stable ( 2.8E) with the stock VCore of 1.36 , Don't be quick to raise it till you see what you have at the stock level

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Quote from: Din on 04-August-05, 18:09:22
If your devices workin properly in other computer, change your mainboard. What PSU you have? it's have Overvoltage protection? If you dont close the PSU when u shut down your computer, the PSU is giving power in all devices and it's dangerous for your computer. I lost my screen like this, but not my computer cause im always close my PSU
im a smart girl
Hey Din,
The pc is equipped with an Antec Truepower 480W PSU.
Is there no chance the CPU is fried? Changing the mainboard is more work then changing the CPU .
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