975X PUE: SATA vs IDE Combinations: 2+2, 4, or 1+3?

Hello,
I searched but didn't find info. For a new build with a 975X PUE, what is the optimal configuration of IDE/SATA drives. I want to have a configuation like:
DRIVE PURPOSE SATA or IDE?
C: VISTA OS ?
D: Data drive 2 SATA, RAID1
E: Backup for Data ?
My question is: Should I use SATA for drives C and E or IDE? Or one of each? Is there a general rule for which is preferred? All things being equal, I prefer SATA since cables are smaller.
Thx.
Scott
PS C and E will likely be single-drive, non-RAID.

Quote from: jsmartin22 on 16-June-07, 14:51:31
I thought perhaps there would be a difference data rates between the IDE/SATA, which arise only when you reach a specific # of SATA drives--in which case it might be better to begin using IDE. Looks like I was wrong. Thx.
Scott
SATA II 300 has 3.0 Gbit/sec available per port, so the number of SATA ports used should not make a difference. There is a theoretical advantage in using SATA, as it is a serial connection instead of a parallel connection with PATA.
Furthermore, because of your RAID 1 setup, you will be using AHCI mode for the onboard Intel controller. The Intel Matrix Storage driver (used for AHCI mode) might give you a couple percents extra drive performance over an IDE interface, even when using single drives.
So SATA would be the way to go...

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I have upgraded the BIOS from 7.0 to 7.1 (not 7.2 yet as I have read about problems with it).
I've tried various versions of the drivers from different locations, and each time it blue screens in exactly the same place... I'm beginning to get very annoyed with this as I shouldn't be expected to find my own drivers when there are ones supplied on the CD...
Is anyone able to suggest what I could do?
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[EDIT] Also I have tried an install of Windows Vista Beta and that installed fine using the drivers from the CD...

I must say again that the problem is located in the memory modules. As suggested by Hans before, try running memtest86 first,
http://filexoom.com/files/2006/11/1/41824/memtest86%2B-1.65.floppy.zip
and sometimes even if tests runs fine, doesn't mean that memory is OK. It just might be that that type of memory doesn't fit within your MB. As I mention before, my friend was using Corsair for his MB(getting the message INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE), and after replacing with A-Data(definitely lower quality memory), everything went fine. So, try with another memory.
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I tried looking around the forums and couldnt really find any mentioning of my problem so here I go,
I just finished building my new machine:
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Here is my problem, I installed the OS on the 150GB Raptor, from the begining of the installation the Sony Drive was being detected but wasn't booting the XP Pro disc, so I switched to the LG and unplugged the Sony (the LG wasent being detected when the Sony was plugged in) then once I finally got done with updates, and drivers I went on to reconnect the Sony (as master) and the Seagate. But it would boot XP, so I unplugged the Seagate and it went right through, but when I got into windows I found out that it was only showing up one drive, and it wouldn't even read the media I inserted. I later tried plugging in my old WD Drive (old machine) thinking my seagate was dead. But it didn't detect that ether...
I don't know if its a known issue and a simple BIOS flash will clear it up. But I usually stay away from flashing my BIOS unless I am sure its going to fix my problem.
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Quote from: Jack the Newbie on 21-March-07, 22:29:29
Probably not. I am using the German Edition of Windows XP that is why I can't tell you the exactly what you have to look for but I will try anyway:
One if the many options in the system settings menu has to to with Computer Management (at least this is the name of that option if I translate it from German). When you open computer management you should find a section that has to do with drive management only. Try to find it and see if the drive is listed there. You may have to activate it or assign a drive letter before Windows will be able to use it.
omg... I feel like such a noob... I forgot since I didnt have the seagate plugged in when I installed windows, I never formatted it so windows wasent assigning it a drive letter....
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SATA to SATA transfer speed for 975x PUE

hi guys, i'm using this 975x PUE currently and having this problem. when i tried to copy large data files from a SATA HDD to another SATA HDD it always takes very long time to complete. ofcoz both HDDs are internal and no RAIDS card installed.
eg : copy files about 160GB size take more than 12hrs..
i think it shouldnt take such a long time to copy such huge file. this dont happen to me in my previous pc. can anyone advise pls?

thanks hoshigami, to be honest your pc spec is as good as anyone else but i hope you have sata2 hdd and not sata1 as they are much faster than sata1 when it comes to transferring of data. also i assume your ddr2 is ddr2 800.
when i cloned about 30gb from one hdd to another hdd it took about 25 minutes therefore 160 should not take more than 2 hours in fact much less as cloning is slower process than just copying..
as far as bios is concerned there is no parameter in which it can speed up transfer of data but what you can do is go into bios then click on default setting then click yes and save and exit. and also before copying you defrag your hdd a few times or use speeditup [link below] for further defraging.
http://www.geardownload.com/system/speeditup-free-highly-recommended.html
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i think your prob lies with the fact you try to copy 160gb in one go by doing that large chunk of data is scattered on your hdd without being defraged.
i would first copy about 20 to 30gb then defrag hdd a few times then copy further 30gb and defrag....and so on..
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Favor to persons with bios 7,6 on 975x pue

Blank I would want to ask the persons who have the 975x pue with bios 7,6 to activate the jmicron in ide in order seeing if she works with chip intel.
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Okay Lucabis, here is my test report:
I am using BIOS 7.61 BETA.
I have no drives attached to the JMicron ports, but I enabled the JMicron Controller in BIOS.
I have two SATA hard drives connected to the Intel ICH7DH Controller in Non-RAID mode, and I switched the Intel Controller to RAID mode in BIOS.
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Now, let's try Yahoo Babel Fish on this one (Italian you said?):
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Lucabis giusto, qui è la mia relazione sull'esperimento: Sto usando l'ESSERE VIVENTE 7.61 BETA. Non ho azionamenti fissati agli orificii di JMicron, ma ho permesso il regolatore di JMicron nell'ESSERE VIVENTE. Ho due SATA che gli azionamenti duri collegati al regolatore dell'Intel ICH7DH in Non-non-RAID il modo ed ho commutato il regolatore dell'Intel al modo di INCURSIONE nell'ESSERE VIVENTE. Dopo quello, rebooted il sistema. Lo schermo di condizione di ESSERE VIVENTE di INCURSIONE è comparso ed i miei due azionamenti di SATA sono stati elencati come non-non-RAID disc. Potevo accedere all'ESSERE VIVENTE di INCURSIONE premendo senza problemi. Non andrò affatto avanzare con questo. Se questo suona come esso vale una prova, prego va verificarlo voi stessi.

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it seems that JMicron is doing nothing for me except slow my boot
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I assume that the 4 pin connector next to the first PCI-E graphics slot on the 975X PUE board takes the same connector/supply as the one that supplies power to the IDE [...] drives !
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Quote from: AaronYuri on 28-February-07, 01:59:50
Jack the Newbie,
I've seen the spec. The OCZ I recommended will run his pouter.
It probably will. But I am a little afraid that the 450W-PSU you recommended might come close to its limits on the 26A/+12V-rail.
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I have an IDE "caddy" with 2 Dual boot HD's (Linux Grub booting XP on sda1 and Fedora9 on sda2), and had no problems with either HD's on old M/B.
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Thanks for the info, I am now a bit clearer as to what is happening!
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