A few doubts in the 'beginners guide'

Hello, I'm trying out arch (still with virtualbox), and I'm following the 'beginners guide' on the wiki.
I managed to install it but ended up with a few doubts, about some parts of the installation.
On the "Partition Hard Drives" part, it says that there are 3 types of disk partitions (primary, extended, logical), but when I'm creating the partitions with cfdisk, I can only choose between primary and logical. Does the extended gets created automatically when I create some logical partitions?
When I have to set the filesystem mountpoints, I think that I don't do anything to the /dev/sda (I only set the ones with numbers at the end - the partitions), but I don't think the wiki is clear on this, the only thing I see there is this part: "Recall that partitions end in a number. Therefore, sda is not itself a partition, but rather, signifies an entire drive" which is easily overlooked when you don't understand much.
When you need to choose the mirrors (/etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist), the wiki doesn't tell much. For example, what is the difference between choosing ftp or http servers? do you choose both? In the beginning there's a server that has as a comment #any, does this mean it will choose automatically which server it will use?
that's it... for now :)

moosie wrote:For the hard drive part, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but sda refers to the whole drive where as sda# refers to a partition, one might say portion, of this drive; i.e sda1 would be the first partition sda2 the second and so on. As for the mirrors for the difference between ftp and http refer to this link: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html  I haven't read this but it seems to be a good source of knowledge. Also for the mirrors and the install as a whole I recommend watching this youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjTTl_9aUXc in the video the reflector and curl are used to come up with the fastest mirrors based on your location and he goes through the whole installation process all the way to the point where he installs gnome.
In general, if you're not sure of something, better not to post it. Also, don't do googling for someone else, Arch users are expected to be competent to do their own research. Else you end up feeding help vampires (not necessarily saying the OP is one).

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    EdTheUniqueGeek wrote:I'm a total green noob on Arch [...] I'm on the section about rankmirrors [...]
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    EdTheUniqueGeek wrote:I am in the process I trying the shell script from adamrehard suggestion.
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    Last edited by masteryod (2012-04-27 14:53:33)

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    sda1 Boot Primary Linux 15440
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    Last edited by Quill (2012-09-01 04:16:22)

    Trilby wrote:
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  • Beginners Guide Improvement

    I just installed Archlinux and stumbled over two issues following the Beginners Guide.
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    I don't feel comfortable as a new user to edit the Beginners Guide myself and therefore
    discuss these issues here first.
    I did read the Beginners Guide while installing. When it came to configure the Xserver,
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    MickeyKnox wrote:
    I just installed Archlinux and stumbled over two issues following the Beginners Guide.
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    I don't feel comfortable as a new user to edit the Beginners Guide myself and therefore
    discuss these issues here first.
    I did read the Beginners Guide while installing. When it came to configure the Xserver,
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    Could you explain this further?
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    It sounds like you failed to follow the guide, but I am having a difficult time understanding what you want changed. If you followed the order of the guide, wouldn't it have worked out properly?
    The second issue is that after executing nvidia-xconfig, it suggests to start the xserver
    to see if everything works properly, which it didn't, because hal wasn't installed nor
    configured yet, follwing the Beginners Guide. This let me to fiddle around with it a bit
    and several annoying restarts, before i decided to just go on with the Guide, to find
    a good reason why it didn't just worked then. I think there should be a warning not
    to start X after nvidia-xconfig.
    Perhaps a note, explaining not to test the server at that point would be appropriate.

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