A G4 Dying A Thousand Deaths

I've been following a few threads here because I've had similar problems. I haven't seen a solution to this, however.
I posted about frequent kernel panics, crashes and blue screens under BobMac, but when I went to log in for a further post the site told me I was blocked "for security" reasons.
Have no idea what's up with that, so I came on from my office Mac and reregistered. If you want to see some background on this problem search under "BobMac" or http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa;jsessionid=aRm_A7-yLGvhg6SM83?messageID =2669864&#2669864
I'd done almost everything suggested except change the battery. I was very thankful to get my Finder back and appreciate the folks who helped with that.
I still have a compute I never really have been able to use.
The routine..... I Boot. Machine will have kernel panic or, far more often, a simple freeze (cursor locks in position) anytime during start up or within the first ten minutes of use. One or the other always happens.
Restart. Often get another cursor freeze within first few minutes.
This may go on for ten or twenty times, or maybe just once, after which the Mac will stay on and operate normally for hours. (I have avoided any RAM intensive use, however, ,leery that it might crash. But I really need to use it for serious graphic work at this point.)
The one reccomendation I hadn't followed was to replace the battery, so I did that and a funny thing happened: I crash just as often but now the cursor stays alive and the Finder itself freezes rather than the other way around. Click on anything and nothing happens. Figure that.
Another oddity: I've saved (but not closed) new text documents and after a crash they simply don't exist. The same with TIFF documents - saved but not closed and when I restarted they didn't exist. Of course it has more often happened that saved documents did exist after a restart but it's far from a sure thing.
Forum posts seem to zero in on RAM when this happens.
The single processor MDD came with a 256k stick. If I run just that the kernel panics and freezes are far fewer, but it's not enough RAM to do anything.
I've tried nine different RAM sticks from five different companies, in every combination possible, with and without the origianl Apple 256k stick, in every possible combination of slots.
Adding one 512 stick to the apple 256 stick makes the problem bad enough so the machine can't really be used. Adding two makes it worse. Adding three (1.75 total) makes it just one panic or freeze after another, most during booting. I don't believe all nine sticks could have been bad.
When any RAM stick from any company installed the hardware check on the CD that came with the machine show a bad RAM stick about one out of three times (making no RAM changes between test runs - on the same sticks, in other words.) But, again, all nine sticks from all five companies can't be bad.
(Don't know if this matter but I started with 10.3.4 and gradually got to 10.4.7 but the OS had no effect.)
Any and all input will be appeciated.
Thanks, Fredatosh

Thanks for the replies.
Tom:
I bought the Tiger DVD. Panther was installed on the G4 when I got it and I updated through all the steps when notified by Software Updater.
I'll try booting from the CD when I get home, though I remember doing this at times in the past and my recollection is that it had no effect on panics or crashes.
By "zero the disk" you mean erase it? That's a pretty large and drastic step that I'd rather save until I have run out of every other option, a point I seem to be rapidly approaching.
I use SuperDuper to back up the disk to a Firewire HD and I suppose that any corrupt file that might exist on the OE HD was transferred, so reinstalling files from that drive after I wiped the OE HD would be pointless. I'd have to wipe both.
lzbrac:
Sorry to hear of your adventures. I happened to read a British Mac magazine last evening and a reader mentioned, off hand, that he'd had a MDD for a year and it was nothing but a problem, and then went on to ask a question about his new G5. Is the MDD known as a problem machine? There seem to be a lot of posts about it here and elsewhere.
I have no other G4 MDD to compare it to but the fan doesn't seem to run an abnormal amount of the time; it's obvious when it is running, though. I understand that's normal with this model and the noise level doesn't bother me.
When I get home I'll check to see if the video card has its own fan, though I don't recall noticing anything obvious. It's the card that came with the machine.
I have run the Apple Hardware Test off the disk many times. As I mentioend, about one time out of three, or maybe half the time, it tells me my RAM is bad. The same RAM passes the other times.
I've run TechToolPro, DriveGenius and DiskWarrior many times. It wasn't easy because the machine would freeze often, but I got through everything except the defrag/optimize. That would stop somewhere during the run - never the same place twice - and say the disk couldn't be degragged/optimized. Only after trying many times did I finally get past that test. In the end I passed all tests on all three apps. The same with Disk Utility and Permissions Repair.
Reformatting the HD and reinstalling Tiger isn't too appealing, as I mentioned in my reply to Tom. if it comes to that I may have to, but I'd like to explore every avenue before that.
I have reset the CUDA button a number of times, and checked the seating of all ribbon strips, CPU, RAM and PCI cards. As many RAM modules as I've tried believe me, I'm getting very good at making sure items are carefully and correctly seated.
The change in freezes when I replaced the battery still puzzles me (from freezes where the cursor froze to freezes where the Finder froze and the cursor remained live.)
My apologies for stating RAM capacity in kilobytes rather than megabytes. Fast typing and slow brain equal corrupt results.
One thing I've failed to mention is that I've purchased a lot of "small" apps and downloaded them. Everything from SuperDuper to Bookpedia. And a few "hackies", when I first got the machine - killing the start up tone, making apps appear in the apple menu like OS9, etc. I have also loaded a lot of full sized programs, from Word and Nisus Writer to Painter, Photoshop (and a ton of plug-ins), FileMaker, Chronosynch and Illustrator. None of these installations seemed to alter the crashing behavior, though when I first got the machine I installed a bunch of stuff and then lost use of the machine for a number of months.
What I'm getting at is: Could any of those early installations be causing the problem?
A couple books have hinted that OS9 corruption of any kind (ext. conflicts, font corruption, file corruption, etc.) could screw up smooth operation of OSX. I bought this particular machine because it was the last that would boot from OS9 and I figured I'd be upgrading my apps slowly. But if 0S9 or OS9 Classic is the problem I'd reluctantly be okay with thrashing either or both, I guess. (I still have a few apps that are OS9 that I want to use but won't be upgrading.)
Still, everything supposedly points to the RAM, including the books, and the less RAM I use the closer to normal the machine behaves.
Thanks,
BobMac

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    b. It is not a difficult issue for a Mac user to find a window base computer, for a PC user, if they can’t find any Mac user, they can go to a nearest Apple Shop for a favor.
    c. You may need to switch around the PC and Mac, try to do several attempts between “Format” and “Restore”
    http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=2364921&#2364921
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    If you have tried trouble shooting your iPod to no avail after all the steps above, chances are your iPod has a hardware problem. The iPod's built-in Diagnostic Mode is a quick and easy way to determine if you have a "bad" iPod.
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    iPod 1G to 3G: "Menu" and "Play/Pause"
    iPod 4G+ (includes Photo, Nano, Video, and Mini): "Menu" and "Select"
    The Apple logo will appear and you should feel the hard drive spinning up. Press and hold the following sequence of buttons:
    iPod 1G to 3G: "REW", "FFW" and "Select"
    iPod 4G+ (includes Photo, Nano, Video, and Mini): "Back" and "Select"
    You will hear an audible chirp sound (3G models and higher) and the Apple logo should appear backwards. You are now in Diagnostic Mode. Navigate the list of tests using "REW" and "FFW". The scroll wheel will not function while in diagnostic mode. For further details on Diagnostic mode can be found at http://www.methodshop.com/mp3/ipodsupport/diagnosticmode/
    Try to do the 5in1, HDD R/W and HDD scan tests. Some successful cases have been reported after the running the few tests under the Diagnostic mode. In case it does not work in your case, and the scan tests reports show some errors then it proves your iPod has a hardware problem and it needs a repairing service.
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    I have not tried this solution myself, I heard that there were few successful cases that the users managed to get their iPod (you must put your iPod in disk mode before connecting with a computer) mounted by the computer, which was booted by a system startup disk. For Mac, you can use the Disk Utility (on the Tiger OS system disk), for PC user, you can use the window OS system disk. Try to find a way to reformat your iPod, again it does not matter which format (FAT32, NTFS or HFS+) you choose, the key is to erase the corrupted system files on the iPod. Then eject your iPod and do a Reset to switch out from Disk Mode. Reboot your computer at the normal way, connect your iPod back with it, open the iPod updater, and hopefully your iPod will appear there for the Restore.
    If none of these steps address the issue, your iPod may need to be repaired.
    Consider setting up a mail-in repair for your iPod http://depot.info.apple.com/ipod/
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    http://www.ipodresq.com/index.php
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    Your iPod warranty is expired
    You don’t want to pay any service charges
    You are prepared to buy a new one
    You can’t accept the re-sell value of your broken iPod
    Rather than leave your iPod as paper-weight or throw it away.
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    Warning !!!! – It may or may not manage to solve your problem, and with a risk that you may further damage your iPod, which end up as an expensive paper weight or you need to pay more higher repairing cost. Therefore, please re-consider again whether you want to try the next level
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    http://eshop.macsales.com/tech_center/index.cfm?page=Video/directory.html
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    http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=2438774#2438774
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    http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=3597173#3597173
    Exclamation point and folder and nothing else
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