A Portrait of an Creative Labs as a Young

Hi-o. I'm posting this thread to spark discussion and user-interaction (supposedly the purpose of this "support" forum)
My first mp3 player was an Intel 28 meg pocketconcert from, oh, I guess it was the year 2000. Amazing player, never broke, never had a single problem. In fact, it still works today, but obviously it's pretty much useless to most shoppers without DRM support and whatnot.
My second player was an Archos Jukebox Multimedia hard-dri've that came out long before the iPod and other music hard-dri'ves (I'm not sure if it predated the Nomad or not).
Anyways, I'm telling you about those two because both of these products were better than the Creative Zen Touch.
Oddly Enough, the Archos product was quite fragile and broke on me three times. The third time it broke, the screen cracked, but it still functions to this day (aside from a dead microphone and screen). Even with faults, the Creative Zen Touch cannot compare.
Why is it that in 2005 the Zen Touch doesn't have have a microphone or a radio? The Archos player had a high quality mp3 microphone on it. They didn't even advertise that feature. In fact micropohnes seem to be standard issue on "uncreative" products. Go figure. The Intel mp3 player from 2000 could receive radio broadcasts while the Zen Touch can't be bothered.
I cannot understand why for the life of me why it doesn't have any kind of sound effect features. I was expecting to be able to have fun adjusting the pitch and making echos and stuff on songs on the player. But nada, nothing. The Archos mp3 harddri've had more audio FX features than Creative. Creative better bring a baggie for their teeth when they go toe-to-toe with Archos.
Anyways though, I don't really care about the Zen Touch. I don't really care about Yahoo Limited or Napster 2 Go either, because I barely use the thing as much more than a paperweight anyway. It does bother me reading this forum, however, to see how nasty the company has been in support of the Zen Touch. In my opinion, the company and it's support staff on this board have acted very unprofessionally and have given vague, nonsense answers to requests for information. If you haven't received any information on when firmware upgrades or whatever synonym you give to "patches" for your faulty product, then why don't you walk down the hallway to the Creative Laboratory and ask someone when it's coming? Take the initiati've; I know you can do it. *Thumbs up*
Just the fact that this message board exists boggles the mind. I've seen many posts by employees from the company that, to paraphrase, say "Creative doesn't sponsor these forums, it's just for user-interaction"... And yet this board is linked from the "Support" section of Creative's website... Shouldn't it be linked from Creative's "Community" section instead... I can't help but feel that there is a constant "Holier-than-thou" attitude coming from Creative support staff and from posters who are "in the know" or who have a product other than the Zen Touch and are "inconvenienced" by repeated requests for information regarding the release date for the product's patch. I'm probably going to be a victim to these wonderful folk in subsequent posts in this thread if precedent holds true. As if it is a "privilege" for us to even have a this support forum to post at... Puh-leeze. Anyways I don't really want any response from support staff or anything in this thread, unless it is to apologize and write me a check for $300 for my inconvenience.
All I want is to interact with some other Zen Touch owners who are sad, and make them glad.
Hope you enjoyed my post.
Sincerely,
Martin Joseph

Duffymj,
The player was sold with the features it advertised. The fact is that you can add a microphone and a FM Radio to the Zen Touch by using the FM Wired Remote with it. This is a feature that we are building in on current players, but was only available as an option on the Zen Touch.
My main objection with your post however is with your mischaracterization of the Forums and their Staff (myself included). At the top of these forums it is made very clear what they are intended to be (namely a place for Creative customers to discuss Creative products). Never have we said that these forums are not "sponsored by Creative" as that would be ridiculous given that we are Creative employees and the forums are on a Creative server. What we have said is that these forums are not for official support, mainly because we are not staffed in such a way to reasonably be able to do this (The team consists of 3 full time Moderators/Admins plus our supervisors). In the case where direct support is needed, we make sure that the person is directed toward support for their region (be that email or phone support).
As far as "walk down the hallway to the Creative Laboratory and ask someone when it's coming" comment, that would be a little difficult as the "Laboratory" is located in Santa Clara, CA and Singapore (whereas we are located in different parts of the world, but not in the same building as the labs). Instead we send regular emails to those who work on updates and post about what we get in reply. Gi'ven the huge amount of initiati've I've seen taken by the Forum team in passing along information and getting information I doubt they will need your encouragement, but thank you.
Gi'ven that Archos (the main company you used in comparison) does not offer an official discussion forum I guess I would say that it is a privilege to have an official forum for discussion (most of our competitors do not have a place like this). I certainly try not to have a holier-than-thou attitude and I don't know of any regular posters who come off that way to me (although your post seems to hit that note once or twice). Overall we have received very positi've feedback from customers about the forums because we let people have a place to get help from others, talk about products, and even on occasion, vent frustrations (in a producti've way).
Gi'ven that this was your first post I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that your intentions are to be constructi've. Another tirade like this and you will find yourself banned, but I would much rather have constructi've discussion than have to ban a user. I am closing this thread however.
Jeremy

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    <EM><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>"PS: In the future please remove advisor name before posting email from Creative on the forums."</EM>
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    Best Regards!
    http://www.internetdj.com/collapse

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