A64 3000+ OC success

Hello all.
I finally succesfully built my first computer... after i had to RMA my first Neo2... I felt like i'd never be able to get any of those nice results everyone was getting...
Last night i overclocked my 3000+ (1.8ghz) to 2.4 ghz and ran prime95 all night (over 8 hours) with not a single error or warning. I have to say it these little chips rock. My cheap memory is at 220mhz right now at 3-3-11 1T. Temps are low around 36-42... I am a happy camper.
The only thing that is dissappointing right now is that my vidcard is only running at 4X instead of 8X. But i think that doesnt give much performance difference... If i put it on 8x i get vpu recoveries as soon as i start a game... Anyone has any ideas what could be faulty... my mobo or my vidcard?
I tried all the combinations on bios to make it work for 8x but it just doesnt seem to like it...
My old coumputer i had my vidcard only running at 4x for about a year... because that was the max for my old mobo... so could that affect on this?

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Originally posted by narchy
1) i have agp frequency set to 67mhz... is that what locks the agp port?
2) Do i need to install this Gart, if i have a radeon card and not nVidia?
I did try to reinstall my vidcard drivers many times... still no go.
3) I will retry to install latest nVidia system drivers... any links that tell exactly how to do this...? like uninstall first the ones u have, then install the new ones... or is it straight forward... just install the new nVidia drivers over the existing ones ???
4) Do i have to uninstall vidcard drivers before i install the new nVidia system drivers n then reinstall em again?
And i am changing from 8x to 4x using my Ati Catalyst Center latest version, not Bios.
Thnx for ur replies.
1 - 67 locks AGP freq
2 - install GART, it's part of the mobo S/W. Get the unified driver set for the Nforce 3 here- http://www.nvidia.com/content/drivers/drivers.asp. Just install it all.
3 - Straightforward
4 - Nope. But you can after the mobo drivers if you want. I'd do it just to cover all your bases... You might benefit from doing a complete uninstall of the ATI driver w/ Driver Cleaner (google for it - I forget the link). It will get rid of all traces of the old ATI install, so you can start fresh.
Change to 8x in BIOS would prob work best.

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Hello everyone. Just wondering if anyone can help me. I have hit a brick wall with my overclock but I hope I can push it a little bit further, since other people have started to have more success.
So far I have managed 230HT 1:1 thus reaching 2.3Ghz with my A64 3000 @ 1.6v. My ram is rated to run at 250HT max of 1.9v - so I hope I can go further.
My spec is:
MSI K8N Neo Platinum
BIOS 1.25Beta
Athlon 64 3000 Newcastle
1gig GeIL PC4000 Ram
ATI Radeon 9800 XT
I have shifted thru a lot of the threads on this forum but lack any kind of solid evidence or solutions. Also, I'm unsure as to what bios I should use. I have never had a temperature problem with my board so I'm looking for overclock stability only. I know it's a lot of trial and error, overclocking I mean, but any help would be appreciated!
Thanks for reading.

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Originally posted by heatsinked
In the bios:
Disable Spread Spectrum.
Set AGP lock to 68.
Increase HT speed setting to 230
Thanks alot for your answer... If I do that, will I get the CPU with 2.3 GHz ?
Or is there one more thing to do ??
you said : Set AGP lock to 68 ... Is this in Bios under : "Adjust AGP Frequency" ?
and you said : Increase HT speed setting to 230 ... Do you mean the part which is "Adjust CPU FSB Frequency" in the Bios ?
Is there anything more to do except this three options , like changing the HT Frequency which is already by default at 4x ? Or changing the RAM Clock or something like that ?
And if nothing more to do, is it necessary to change the MSI heatsink or install a Fan on the nVidia Chip instead of the MSI heatsink already installed ?
I am sorry that I ask all that , because I am ever afraid to burn any piece of my PC , and this is why I am asking you because you made it already without problem specially that you have the same CPU as mine , but the different is the Grafik Card .
Thanks !

Neo2-F/A64 3000+/Zalman showing 40C at idle in BIOS v1.9!!

My Neo2-F w/ A64 3000+ Venice arrived last night, along with some other parts (will list full specs below). The BIOS version that it came with out-of-box is 1.9.
When I go to System Health in BIOS, it shows my CPU temp as ~40 degrees C!! I don't think this is normal for a 3000+ that is not being overclocked, especially at idle.
I even went so far as to get a Zalman 7000AlCu for it, and used Arctic Silver 5 (I followed the instructions for application on their website (put a beebee sized drop in the center of CPU, and lower heatsink straight down, then screw in bolts).
I have to admit, I did mess up the first application of AS5 ... well, not the application itself, but it was my first time working with a Zalman. So, when I tried to fasten the first bolt just a little bit as directed, the other side came popping up (too much leverage and I wasn't holding it firmly enough). I have heard that this can cause air to introduced into the AS5 compound, so I pulled the HSF out and cleaned both surfaces thorougly with alcohol ... cleaned each surface multiple times, even after I could see no more AS5 residue coming off.
I am aware that this mistake compromised the efficiency of this setup a bit, but shouldn't the temps for a 3000+ be closer to 30 degrees C at idle, especially with AS5?
Perhaps it's just BIOS v1.9 that is returning incorrect temperature values? What windows program can I use to check temps?
-Thanks!

My new 7000AlCu & AS5 is in a drawer...dont need them.
Try touching the very base of the hsf, closest to the cpu core as you can reach. BEFORE YOU DO IT, ground yourself by touching grounded metal objects.
Gives a clear indication if it's acceptable cool enough for YOU. I've had Abit AV8 mobo showing ~45C idle, next mobo was Asus A8V, showed pleasant 33C..current shows 27 and it's overclocked to 2,5GHz
I guess all temp readings are REAL CALCULATIONS, there is no real temp reader built-in...a BIOS matter.
Other things that add heat: RAM at high freq and voltage... SATA HDD's generate LOTS heat...bro's hdd got errors due to overheating, he didnt use fans blowing over the HDD...all that warm air makes cpu/case warmer ofcourse. You gotta have airflow in your chasse.
When/if you re-attach your HSF again, take a close look at the paste stuck on the hsf. I had "clear" spots (no contact between cpu core & hsf...paste doing no good) on ~40% of the core area....also I never trust AS5 again (or the boxed paste)...
Use Zalman's + some AS5: The two first times I re-mounted the hsfs (boxed and 7000AlCu) they were STUCK very hard to the core. Happened with alcu@as5 and boxed@boxed paste + boxed@as5. I've read "many" ppl ripping their cpu off the socket when trying to pull the hsf off...it got glued..solution=do it with warm pc).

Help me out, hard time understanding ratios? formula?(a64 3000 +neo4)

Specs are
k8n neo4 plat
a64 3000 venice
2x1gb corsair xms 3200
x800xl
520 ocz powerstrem
can some one give me there settings in bios so i can try them out, i want to try something moddest, im aiming for 2.2ghz maybe 2.4,
I really want to learn how to overclock but reading these guides are really confusing me, there seems to be a formula or ratio to how you overclock,
but im not getting it, its like a math formula isnt it? its freezing up my brain
can some one break down how the ratio or formula is done in order to get the desired overclock?
i understand that all setups will vary even if they are similar and my results will derive from my particular hardware.
i also understand the best way to know what your particular setup can handle is by testing the different settings at a time using programs such as cpuz, memtest and prime95..
any one mind helping me out? i chose this cpu for the sole purpose of overclocking it even though iv never even read about how to do it anyway thanks in advance.

The A64 boards only allow a few ratios, but lowering the memory speed to have tighter timings usually yields beter overall performance....
Value RAM usually has problems at the HTT's these A64 boards and CPU's can run at, but the "better" memory on the "right" board, can do cas2.5 at 300HTT....!
The typical ratios the 64 Bit BIOS allow are:
200 = 1:1 ratio with HTT and memory clock, so when HTT is 250 the memory clock will be 250
166 = 5:6 ratio, so when HTT is 250 the memory will be 208
133 = 2:3 ratio, so when HTT is 250 the memory will be 166
100 = 1:2 ratio, so when HTT is 250 the memory will be 125
Auto = I'm 80% sure that Auto = 1:1 ratio too
Some boards express these ratios in percent...

Overclocking A64 3000+

Hey guys,
I got a n00b question about overclocking the A64 3000+. Should I even think about doing this with the standard HSF? I'm planning to use this machine for 2 years -- will overclocking destroy my machine before 2 years is up?
I can't be sure about my CPU temperatures right now coz I'm not 100% sure the K8N Neo Platinum temperature issues have been finalized yet, but under load, my HSF does not appear to be very hot...
Please pardon my ignorance.
Thanks in advance.

With standard HSF I wouldn't go more than 10% OC to be sure that the system will last... anyway 2200 MHz is not that bad after all

Low CPU mark score with a64 3000+

I get around 650 to 680 cpu mark score with my system:
MSI Neo Plat
1Gig of PC3200 KINGSTON Ram
A64 3000+ @ 2ghz
Leadtek 6800
I've updated the latest nforce drivers from MSI and the bios is 1.2
I think it's way to low since I had 300 cpu mark score with my lousy Athlon 1.4Ghz thunderbird.
I see that other a64 3000+ users get around 800 to 950 cpu mark score. Why is mine too low? Bios settings? What should I check?
I see even a MSI Kt800 user with 840 cpu score!

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Originally posted by evilpanda
I get around 650 to 680 cpu mark score with my system:
MSI Neo Plat
1Gig of PC3200 KINGSTON Ram
A64 3000+ @ 2ghz
Leadtek 6800
I've updated the latest nforce drivers from MSI and the bios is 1.2
I think it's way to low since I had 300 cpu mark score with my lousy Athlon 1.4Ghz thunderbird.
I see that other a64 3000+ users get around 800 to 950 cpu mark score. Why is mine too low? Bios settings? What should I check?
I see even a MSI Kt800 user with 840 cpu score!
Could you please post a link for the software benchmark that you are referring to? I can't seem to find the right one. I got something called CPUMark but it is scoring mine at like 3400 which isn't in the correct range based on what you've said so it's probably a different software. Thanks for your help. I just want to see where mine falls out.

Msi Neo Plat & A64 3000

Hi guys
Well finally after a few months of waiting ive got rid of my stock A64 cooler and had chance to fiidle with some overclocking i really would like some advise on my recent overclcock perhaps some of you guys know where i might be able to tweak my system alittle bit here's the details
System
A64 3000+
MSI Neo Plat
2 X 512mb Crucial Ballistix PC4000
Radeon x800 pro Vivo
Hiper 450w PSU
60gig seagate IDE HDD
80gig seagate SATA HDD
Cooling
Thermalright SLK-978u
Artic Cooling rev4
so far i have reached this
FSB 235 x 10 @ 1.65v mem @ 2.5,3,3,10 @ 1.70v
temps are around 39
3DMark 2001 = 23766
3DMark 2003 = Havent try'd yet :p
So are my mem timings good ive try'd higher FSB but couldn't seem to get it without upping my volts, im thinking that it might be my memory settings holding me back but not really sure
Cheers for reading
craig

Second double sided dimm in the 7030's seem to really give it headaches. WILL NOT run @ 1:1 no matter what I do. Automatically defaults it to 166 divider no matter what slots or bios settings I try. I managed to get them to run @ 200 by OC'ing to 240fsb but even then I had to use way worse timings than they would do by themselves. OCZ is the only manufacturer I have found that makes a 1 Gig stick that runs at the same timings as their 512 Mb sticks. When I get one of those babies I'll really be able to see what this thing will do @ 1:1. Probaly only get to 220 or so with pc3200 but doing it @ 1:1 with good timings will be sweet!

[Desktop 3000 K100] Successful Windows 7 upgrade/install?

Hi,
I recently decided to move from Windows Vista Home Premium 32-bit to Windows 7 Home Premium 32-bit on my Lenovo Desktop 3000 K100 machine.
I already decided to go with a custom/clean install(I'm experienced in that area), instead of using the upgrade feature.
The question is that, have any of You(the 3000 K100 owners) tried and successfully moved to Windows 7 themselves, and now are happily enjoying the new OS, with no issues?
I've noticed that the K100 system is not listed in the "upgrade capable systems list":
http://consumersupport.lenovo.com/hk/en/htmls/1256358540190.html
But then again does Lenovo mean the actual "Free Windows 7 Upgrade Program", where they provide you with the free license for intended Windows 7 OS(you do pay for delivery of the Windows 7 dvd though, if I'm correct), or just that the drivers do not exist for the OS.
If it's the second reason, then I believe there's no worries since many articles on the web said that Windows Vista is essentially Windows 7 in a newer candy wrapping. Hence all the drivers should be working fine and be compatible for it.
I also ran the Windows 7 Upgrade Advisory, and at the beginning it told me that I should upgrade my Vista to SP1 before doing the upgrade. I did so successfully and now the Upgrade Advisory says that I'm set for the Windows 7(Not sure why I had to install SP1 thought, after all I'm doing a clean install). Even all the drivers were checked/marked as compatible for the Windows 7.
Already made all the necessary backups so I'm good there.
I did notice one post on these forums about the owner of 3000 K100 having major problems with Windows 7 upgrade. The post is located here:
http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Windows-7-Discussion/desktop-3000-K100-Windows-7-upgrade-problem-STOP-0x...
He did mention that he had made a bios update, and that might have been the main problem(I never touch bios, nor update it unless it is essential thing to do for me), but then again I may be very wrong about it.
So here I'm asking You, the owner of 3000 K100, if the move from Windows Vista to Windows 7 was smooth for you, or did you encouter problems and therefore should I stay away from that idea?

HI,
i've a Lenovo 3000 K100 with Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bits : it's working very well. No drivers to install, very stable.

Overclocking help--A64 3000

I know there are countless threads on this subject, but I'm gonna post this anyway, lol.
I have an Athlon 64 3000+ on MSI K8N Neo Platinum (BIOS 1.1). I have 2x512 Mushkin Level One pc3500 in DIMMs 1 and 2. I'd like to achieve an overclock of 2.3-2.4 if possible. Right now the best I can get is about 2.2 but I haven't tweaked much.
Several questions:
should I set 1T or 2T
should I enable or disable Spread Spectrum
Should I change AGP frequency
what do you recommend for CPU voltage? I have a Thermaltake Venus 12 hsf
does lowering Hyper transport from 4x to 3x negate the effects of overclocking?
Any other advice would be helpful, as well.

1t will yield better performance. 2t might possibly give you a slightly better overclock. Most people say it isnt worth the performance drop.
Disable Spread spectrum
Set AGP to 67
CPU Voltage could be set at 1.65v safely i've heard. I dont think I would set it higher than 1.6v but i'm on stock cooling right now.
lowering hypertransport from 4x to 3x shouldnt be so bad... usually you wont have to until youre approaching about 240 HTT Frequency
I might suggest updating your bios to one of the later ones and maybe a beta one. That is if you want to achieve high HTT frequencies. ie greater than 230ish.

I having trouble getting over 1.97 on A64 3000

I raised the fsb to 219 but it seems not to get passed that its idles @ 36 so I dont think its heat is there some other setting I need to adjust?

Quote from: Sharp on 14-April-05, 22:00:14
Hello,
You may need to change the hypertransport multiplier/ratio.
From x5 to x4.
Or you memory cannot handle the extra 19Mhz, change the CPU:Dram ratio to 6:5 and see what happens.
6:5 will make the memory run at 182Mhz (not overclocking it)
Thanks for the tip anymore you could share with me plz I would be most greatful

My A64 3000 CG stepping @ 2.4Ghz - but is it safe running at 1.7?

Well, my question is stated in the subject
I use a zalman copper cooler, the really big round thing lol
Temps never go above 45... so I'm assuming 1.7 is ok? Or can it fry regardless of temperature?
Thanks for any replies

Hi !
I am back
heatsinked, or anyone who knows, I tried to go to 240 for my CPU but the Windows then didn't start then restarted my PC.. After that I got error message that windows can't start because a File is missing , anyway I entered the Windows but I went back to 230x10 ...
Now anyone knows why this happened ? Does my ram not allow me to go further ? Or is there something else stops me to go to 240 ?
How could my settings in Bios be ? Settings of CPU and Ram and anything else I need to do to get to that 240 ?
Thanks for any comment!

A64 clawhammer idle temps

first of all, thanks for the really informative faq. i had a feeling that there was a temperature misreport when i first entered the bios and saw a 62 C idle!
but i still have some questions. i'm using a zalman AlCu7000 with AS5, with normal idle temps of ~64-66C, and load temps of ~72-74C. system temperature holds pretty constant around 35C. the zalman is spinning at around 2500RPM, and the four case fans (it's a cooler master praetorian) are around 2000RPM.
if i take into consideration an offset of, say, 20C, that's still an idle in the mid 40s. yet, when i touch the heatsink (at the fins or at the base), it's really quite cool. i can barely feel any warmth. should i be worried about this? i wonder if i'm not establishing good thermal contact between the two.
EDIT: here are the complete system specs:
MSI-K8N (duh)
A64 3000+ Clawhammer "CG"
2x512MB OCZ performance series pc3500 @ 2.5-3-3-7
thermaltake 480 purepower
zalman AlCu7000
thanks in advance!

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Originally posted by killedradiostar
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Originally posted by ksarkisian
killedradiostar, did you take off the msi backplate and install the zalman backplate. I was getting weird temps because I was using the msi bracket instead of the zalman nipples and backplate. Let me know if you have questions.
no, i'm using the MSI backplate. i couldn't get the backplate off (no hairdryer available). i was able to get a nice, snug fit so i didn't think it was a problem. ugh, that makes me worry.
Man, you really need use the Zalman backplate with their coolers. Those nipples will stick up 1/8" higher than the Zalman plate and leave you with a really poor contact between the CNPS7000 and the chip.
I used the Zalman backplate (paper-side to mobo) as a place to lay my small screwdriver against when prying off the MSI plate. The leverage helps immensely and the other backplate will help protect the mobo in case of slippage.

Antec Sonata 380W PS enough for MSI Neo and A64???

I'm looking at picking up the MSI board and an A64 3000 for my Antec Sonata case.
My question is that I see a lot of problems not posting as the PS is not enough.
Does anyone know whether or not the Antec 380W PS will be enough? I will be using 2HDD, a DVD writer, a CD rom drive, and an ATI 9800 pro.
The specs on the PS are:
+5V 35A
-5V .5A
+12V 18A
-12V 1A
+3.3V 28A
max output 360 watts
TIA

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Originally posted by Cozman
no im not dishing anyone .. just wish ppl wouldnt just jump on the psu bandwagon because everyone else does ... if a system needed 25A then it should be MSI's job to make sure its advertised as such ... they make no mention of abnormal power requirements so THEY should be testing and saying what will or will not work ok .. so anyone with MSI contacts please ask them to test and recommend what is or isnt needed
Actually MSI does do some testing
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_trp_detail.php?UID=496&NAME=MS-6702

Neo2 plat +a64 +ocz Vx divider problem.

Hi!
My config:
neo2 plat mobo bios 1.37B -> can hit 300htt easly.
a64 3000+ -> can hit 9x300 easly.
2x512 Ocz Vx ram i can hit FSB ~260 with 2-2-2-11 1:1
Problem:
if i run 100 or 200 divider all i ok, but when i put 133 or 166 divider i can't but pass ~250 htt whatever
what ram timings or voltage , several ppl have similar issue with dividers on this board.
Msi team do you know fix for this issue ??
Tnx for all help

i don't use air cooling but water.
Problem is that i can hit 9x300 but with 1:2 divider , so my memory run FSB 150 ... and as far i know tihs is problem
with neo2 (divider 200 and 100 is full stable)
i'm asking why this Mobo has problem with Divider and vx or bh-5 memory , perhaps someone can answer...

K8NGM2 working with AMD64 3000+ problem

Hi
I have a K8NGM2 working with an AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Processor. It is woring at 1800 Mhz and i can´t set it up to work at 3000. How can I do it? Since the setup of the BIOS do not save my changes.
I´m looking forward for an aswer.
Thanks!

Quote from: hugoar on 01-March-06, 04:51:52
Hi
I have a K8NGM2 working with an AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Processor. It is woring at 1800 Mhz and i can´t set it up to work at 3000. How can I do it? Since the setup of the BIOS do not save my changes.
I´m looking forward for an aswer.
Thanks!
that should be a sticky something for the hall of fame
hugoar, like dr stu said, the AMD A64 3000+ runs by default at 1.8GHz. the 3000 after the name is only a marketing designation for the CPU which shows that the CPU will have the same performance as a Athlon Thunderbird overclocked at 3GHz.

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