About: making RAID sets - partition independant?

(the querry made simple: look last 2 lines)
When making a RAID set, whatever the type it is, will it rely on the partitions or on the disk itself?
In the Disk Utility help it keeps mentioning "disk", and when I was about to create a set, it also asked me about "disk".
I have set up 2 partitions for the purpose of testing RAID for me, being about the same size on a big backup drive.
The drive itself also has a bit of free space filled with original files.
So I wanted to mirror, say, RAID test 1 and RAID test 2, both of them being on the same disk.
Will it work?
Or will it wipe my disk?

A RAID may be constructed using individual partitions on separate drives although using the whole drive would be preferred for speed. You could actually RAID multiple partitions on the same drive, but of course what would be the point.
I've actually used two drives each with three separate partitions and created three separate RAIDs of two partitions each. Not particularly efficient but it does work.
There is really no point to creating a RAID of two partitions on the same drive. And, certainly no point creating a mirrored RAID this way.
Any RAID you create with Disk Utility will erase the drives used (or partitions.)
RAID Basics
For basic definitions and discussion of what a RAID is and the different types of RAIDs see RAIDs. Additional discussions plus advantages and disadvantages of RAIDs and different RAID arrays see:
RAID Tutorial
RAID Array and Server: Hardware and Service Comparison>.
Hardware or Software RAID?
RAID Hardware Vs RAID Software - What is your best option?
RAID is a method of combining multiple disk drives into a single entity in order to improve the overall performance and reliability of your system. The different options for combining the disks are referred to as RAID levels. There are several different levels of RAID available depending on the needs of your system. One of the options available to you is whether you should use a Hardware RAID solution or a Software RAID solution.
RAID Hardware is always a disk controller to which you can cable up the disk drives. RAID Software is a set of kernel modules coupled together with management utilities that implement RAID in Software and require no additional hardware.
Pros and cons
Software RAID is more flexible than Hardware RAID. Software RAID is also considerably less expensive. On the other hand, a Software RAID system requires more CPU cycles and power to run well than a comparable Hardware RAID System. Also, because Software RAID operates on a partition by partition basis where a number of individual disk partitions are grouped together as opposed to Hardware RAID systems which generally group together entire disk drives, Software RAID tends be slightly more complicated to run. This is because it has more available configurations and options. An added benefit to the slightly more expensive Hardware RAID solution is that many Hardware RAID systems incorporate features that are specialized for optimizing the performance of your system.
For more detailed information on the differences between Software RAID and Hardware RAID you may want to read: Hardware RAID vs. Software RAID: Which Implementation is Best for my Application?

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