Accessing page items in the document but outside the page bounds

I'm as new to indesign as I am to indesign scripting so bear with me and my lack of termonology. I have page items that are in the whitespace that is in the document but outside the page bounds. I have access to all the page items that are even partially on the page using the myPage.pageItems. However this collection doesn't include those page items that aren't touching that page. So is there anyway to access those page items in the whitespace outside the page?

OK, so where are you stuck?
If you have a variable, say, page, that is a particular page, where page.pageItems is all the items on that page, then page.parent.pageItems will be all the items on the spread, which includes the pasteboard surrounding it.
Good?

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