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I was looking at this Apple display
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=7C6 DA47C&fnode=home/shopmac/macaccessories/displays&nplm=M9177LL/A
and comparing it to this Samsung display
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku= A0964719
I was wondering why the Apple is so much more expensive and the Samsung has better specs. Am I missing something obvious?
Also what would you guys rate as the best 22-23 inch LCD monitor for a mac mini for the price? I think it's the Samsung.

I guess it partly depends on which specs are important to you.
The Samsung seems a typical consumer oriented display, ideal for playing games and watching movies, due to the pixel response time and bright colours etc.
The Apple seems more pro oriented with faithful colour reproduction, wider viewing angles (typical not 'up to') and a list of accreditations as long as your arm. Also I expect the 'high gloss' enclosure of the Samsung display may be thought of as an unwelcome distraction on an Apple display.

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Pink Tint 23" ACD (when compared to dell 2408WFP)

I purchased my 23" aluminum ACD back in 2005. I have the M9178LL/A model.
I never thought I had a problem with this display. I am a video editor and it always seemed to serve me well. However, I recently purchased a secondary monitor, Dell 2408WFP (only because the ACD 23" have been discontinued) and was shocked to realize that when placed next to my ACD, it's very obvious that the colors are way off. The ACD has a very obvious pink overtone about it. Whites especially, but overall it is very off. This also seems to dull other colors. Projects that I worked on in the past all look slightly off color-wise on the new monitor because of this. It seems the compressing of files to H.264 saved me from my work being a complete mess to the world (as compression usually slightly dulls colors, and all my raw projects are way over-saturated because of the dullness of this display).
Some quick reading makes me realize that this was an issue with a group of ACD's and I'm wondering if there's any chance apple would care that my monitor is not giving (and has never given) accurate color representation - even though I'm only noticing it 4 years after purchase. And what my options are (if any) at this point. Upon realizing this I re-ran the color calibration in advanced settings which I haven't done since the original purchase, no change - it's the display. Not it's calibration settings.
Thanks for taking the time to look this over, looking forward to your opinions.

I guess it partly depends on which specs are important to you.
The Samsung seems a typical consumer oriented display, ideal for playing games and watching movies, due to the pixel response time and bright colours etc.
The Apple seems more pro oriented with faithful colour reproduction, wider viewing angles (typical not 'up to') and a list of accreditations as long as your arm. Also I expect the 'high gloss' enclosure of the Samsung display may be thought of as an unwelcome distraction on an Apple display.

24"iMAC panel much higher quality than 23" Acd, its the same as Samsung ?

Hi!
According to my research on 24" LCD panels, they almost all use samsungs S-PVA screen, including 244t, Dell 2407WFP , Acer, HP, etc etc..
I notice a huge jump in quality compared to the 20" or 23" ACD, mainly due to the lack of grainy/sparkly/video noise/screen door type layer of the former screens.
Can you confirm that this is indeed a samsung panel?
The ACD's are LG's on IPS.
Well whatever it is, I can't believe how wonderful this display looks, its the first time I can say that a display can replace a CRT. And its much sharper to boot.
I found an almost undying similarity to the 244t by Samsung, and I'm interested in getting that to accompany my MAC pro.

I just came to my local Apple dealer to get help and they have never encountered this before. Questions they asked that made it less clear for them; they were shot in jpeg and I have exported using every setting all yielding the same results.
This sounds to be a software issue and I encourage Apple's staff to investigate it.

New 30" acd & old 23" acd problems

Hey
Last week my 23” 2-year-old acd power bar completely died. With Apple care, I had it replaced in store. Once I got home, when I powdered on the display the screen was full of dust spots, sandwiched between the LCD and the protective screen. So the next day I was back in the apple store. We were all puzzled on how the dust got in there, but since you can’t just clean it they placed an order for a replacement monitor. I took this one back home...so far so good.
For the past few weeks I was toying with the idea of getting a 30” acd, so the next day I went to another apple store (it was on my way) and picked a brand new one. Got home, plugged it in...and what the...! First, the backlight bleeding at the bottom left and right corners was terrible. Left bleed was sort of extending upwards, in a weird spiral. But that’s not all...I replaced the background with a solid white, and to my surprise, left quarter of the display was shifting towards blue.
I didn’t go to the apple store right away, i actually waited to get the 23” replacement. After few days i picked it up, came home, plugged it in, and again...more troubles. The white background didn’t match at all. The 30” was white, with that annoying shift towards blue on the left, and the 23” was just yellowish/pinkish.
Off the the apple store yet again. First, we dealt with the 23” - waiting for yet another replacement. Then the 30”. I tried 2 monitors in the store and BOTH had the same blue shift on the left. The backlight bleeding was uniform on those two new, but that shift was present on both. I wasn’t happy, but i took the 2nd display (3rd 30” i tried) just to see how i’d feel using it...and so far, I can’t stand it. All i see is the blue on the white background.
just today i replaced my old sypder 2 with eye-one display 2 calibrating device. I ran multiple tests on the 30” monitor (center, bot/bottom left and right) and found out that the left side of the monitor is quit a bit different. The blue linear curve on is quite a bit off at the top (at about 240) on the left calibration point comparing to the center. Reds and greens are off in colorant tristimulus (when checking the profiles), and the tristimulus value is off towards the blue on left calibartion when looking at the chart. It's there, it's visible.
Now, i’m trying to calibrate the 23” and 30”, trying to get the same white look. No luck!
This is driving me insane. Same panel technology, same manufacturer, two different colors. And the 30”....all where made in korea...is it possible its a bad batch or something. I’ve never seen anything like this with any display I owned or worked on, from a cheap 200$ panel to 1000$ 24” - none had backlight bleeding, much less any color shifts.
I do a lot of post image post processing (advanced amateur photographer), and this is simply unacceptable. As far as I'm concerned i own 3.5 thousand pixels that are complete worthless...
I’ll hit the apple store tomorrow with the 30”, again. I don’t think i’m expecting a lot from a 2,000$ display.
I’d really appreciate help, comments, anything that could help...
Thanks
adrian

Update:
picked up a brand new 30" - this one is great - uniform backlight, no weird colour shifts, just ever so slightly less bright at corners, no dead/stuck pixels. later on today I'm going to pick up the new 23" that just arrived...will test it in store.
adrian

Please help, cannot compare images in full screen mode

I am not able to compare 2 images in full screen mode. I am using a MBP and a ACD 23". The main image will remain in the ACD while the image being compare is being shown in the MBP.
I am able to compare images in the viewer mode.
My main display is the ACD 23 which I selected using the display preferences under 'Arrangement' with the menu bar located on the ACD. In Aperture, Secondary Viewer is set to Blank.
I had also tried different combinations of Main Viewer and Secondary Viewer settings but was not successful.
Am I missing something? Anyone have the solution?Thanks in advance for any help.
norheng

Anyone have any suggestions to using Aperture to edit images using a MBP and ACD so that it best utilize Aperture full screen mode in comparing and narrowing down to the pick.
I am now trying to use the MBP as the main display and ACD as the secondary. This way I am able to compare images with the MBP in the Browser mode and the ACD display the compare images full screen. It work with the secondary display - ACD set to mirror, span and alternate mode.
It would be best if only one screen is use and hence save energy consumption (reducing global warming and bill, if it help).
Thanks in advance for any suggestions or and solutions.
norheng

Is the 27" iMac display exactly the same as the 27" ACD?

I'm looking at updating my existing set up and want to know whether the above displays are exactly the same. From memory the ACD's were usually of a better quality compared to the iMac displays. Have they achieved parity now? Where will I find full specifications as I can't find them for the iMac - only that they are ips displays, and the resolution and speaker wattage.
Thanks guys.

Read the specifications on each (available on Apple's site) and you will have all the information you need.
This displays's specifications are at:
http://www.apple.com/displays/specs.html
The computer's specifications can be found by typing in your serial number at:
http://support.apple.com/specs/
Roger

20" ACD (Aluminum): Glare and harsh colours

Compared to my 12" Powerbook G4 screen, I notice that the brightness of the 20" ACD is much higher. Also, the colours on the ACD are harsher (perhaps more saturated is the term?) and not "cool" to look at in comparison with the 12" PB screen. The result of this is bad glare.
Also, I notice that the "Colour LCD" colour profile that is used with the PB screen cannot be used with the ACD. The result is that the same image looks different on both screens.
Does anyone have any remedies?
I tried changing my ACD gamma to 2.2 TV gamma to reduce glare but this doesn't really help.

Heavyfeet
The brightness of your ACD is much higher and the color Gamut greater than your 12 PB. You can reduce the brighness to about 75% to try and match it. The default profiles are designed for specific displays and you shouldnt use them on the wrong device. If you are working with color and making decisions on the monitor I would recomened creating custom profiles using a colorimeter that are relatively inexpensive. An added bonus is you can get different displays to match much more closely.
Take a look at my post here for some devices.
http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=1613681#1613681
MikeR

IMac Display Quality vs ACD

I was at the store the other day and I was comparing the 15" MBP with the 24" ACD to the 24" iMac both set to the same display settings and the 15" MBP with the 24" ACD appeared noticeably sharper to me. They both looked great and I'm sure either would be just fine for me but is it possible that the MPB with the ACD could deliver a sharper picture?

The new 24-inch Apple Cinema Display uses LED backlighting. The MacBook Pro also uses LED backlighting. The iMac uses with older CCFL (cold cathode fluorescent lamp) technology for backlighting.
That may have contributed to your impression of sharpness, although the two displays use the same resolution at the same LCD panel size, so they should be the same in terms of how "sharp" they look. The image on the MacBook Pro may look sharper, because each pixel on its display is smaller.

Brightness of MBP display vs. 23" ACD

I was under the impression that these two should have similar brightness. However, my 23" ACD is much brighter. Is this normal or do I accidentally have some settings tweaked on my MBP. I just got it and have made sure that the display is turned on all the way (using f2). Any suggestions?
Frankie

When calibrating my MBP display with ColorEyes and a Spyder2 I only get 157 cd/m2 while my 23" ACD will top 300 cd/m2.
Furthermore, the MBP has very low saturation, little contrast and a strong green color cast. Compared to the ACD this is very obvious.
I have tried about everything possible to match both display, but to no avail. The culprit seems to be the factory colour profile "Color LCD-42715C0.icc" which can be found in "Library/ColorSync/Profiles/Displays". No matter what I do to it, even deleting it won't change anything. It will be recreated next time I start my MacBook Pro.
Regards,
Roman

New 20" ACD is old!

I recently purchased a 20 inch ACD in 11/2007 from John Lewis UK.
On searching forums for something else, I discovered that you can determine the age of your display from the serial.
My serial is xx627, which I believe is 27th Week of 2006.
My question's are - how often is the ACD updated? Is mine out of date? Do you think I can do anything about it?
Thanks

A bit further explanation...
Really, the "versions", as I gather, are more about production runs. One could argue, and correctly, that the ACD hasn't changed since 2004 release. But, as production series are released, users have seen slight differences in the display characteristics of the ACD, as compared to earlier runs.
Usually, most people are looking for a major revision, like when the ACD changed from polycarbonate housing to aluminum housings. Add to that desired features, like a built-in web cam, higher response rates, different back lighting (LCD)- these would be the revisions that most are looking for.

MBP Display Colors, should the be the same as ACD?

Greetings everyone.
Just bought my 1st Mac laptop (15" MacBook Pro). Before that I have a year of experience with Mac Pro. I've noticed an interesting thing - colors on mbp are little desaturated. I've set up color calibration on both MBP display and 23" ACD identically. But colors are different. Is this normal? Desaturation is about 10% comparing to ACD. Everything else works well.
Thanks in advance.

It's true, a laptop LCD can't perform as well as a desktop. You can calibrate to the same specs, but they will appear different because the desktop monitor will be able to calibrate closer to the target specs. See the interactive chart at the middle of this page.

15 McaBook Pro working with 23" ACD

Hi All, I posted a similar post several months ago, but got no response.
I am a photographer, and I have a 15" MacBook Pro 2.2 Core Duo/4GB Ram and I love it!! A truly great machine. But there is a huge difference in the look of the 15" LED screen compared to my 23" display? I'm trying to get them closer.
I run my MBP in 'dual monitor' mode, so I am seeing the same images side by side.
Is there just some 'trick' to getting the dynamic range, and the color saturation out of the 15" LED screen so it compares to the 23" ACD. Currently, I wouldn't trust my MPB to edit color images on. Understand, I'm not saying the colors are 'off', there just not as 'on' as the 23" ACD.
I hardware calibrate both monitors at the same time, using the same hardware system. They are calibrated to 6500K 2.2 gamma. And pretty much, anyone who looks at the MBP 15" by itself, says it looks "great!!". But, compared to the ACD 23" in side by side, it's dramatically different in overall richness and dynamic range, and in particular the color saturation. And this is true when simply sliding an image from one screen to the other. Or even with the look of the basic colored folders in 'Column view'.
So how do I get that Cinema Display 'look' from the 15" LED technology? Is it remotely even possible, to get it closer?
Or, is it simply just not to be?
Other forums have discussed the technical reasons why. One poster suggested adjusting the contrast on my MBP, and told me the keyboard shortcuts. But it adjusts the contrast on the 23" display at the same time. Is there a way to adjust the contrast and/or saturation on the MBP without the 23" ACD being affected. Obviously, the system allows for separate profiles and calibration. Along with 'brightness' adjustments. I would like to adjust the contrast and saturation as well.
Thanks for your suggestions and help.
-Sol
Sol

Thanks for the feedback.
Newer technology or not, the MBP LED screen just doesn't hold up to the ACD 23". Less contrast. less saturation, and some colors are just off a bit. And unfortunately, being that I'm a photographer, being off 'just a bit', just doesn't cut it.
For example, reds on my ACD, such as the color of an apple, has a definite although slight, orange cast to it, more of a fire-engine red. Not dramatic, but obviously wrong when you doing color editing for photos, in particular portraits and skin tones.
So back to my original question. I'm hoping someone here has the Guru calibration insight for working with two monitors.
When calibrating the two monitors, MacBook Pro 15" and Apple 23" Cinema Display, using a hardware calibration system, the Apple System preferences give you two color-calibration dialog boxes. One on each screen. You can adjust 'Brightness" individually on each screen as you calibrate, but not the 'Contrast'. Now by using the keyboard 'shortcut' of Controloption+command'comma' or 'period' you can adjust the contrast up and down. But, it adjusts both monitors at once. My ACD does not need the extra contrast. Which means currently, I can't use it.
So, can the MBP be adjusted separately? Since the ACD adjusts with the MBP, when they're connected together, I would assume that the ACD would be affected by this adjustment even if it wasn't connected. As in, the new 'Contrast' setting would apply to the ACD when re-connecting it to the newly adjusted MBP.
There are no visual indicators of the 'Contrast' level, as in numeric, or bars (like the 'Brightness' has), so it's hard to tell 'exactly' where your at with the 'Contrast' levels.
And finally, if I adjust this keyboard 'Contrast' control, is it possible to reset it to factory afterwards (just in case)?
Bottom line is my ACD 23" looks fantastic, and I don't want to screw it up in the process.
Thanks

Get the values from a table comparing fields of different data types

Hi Experts,
I want to fetch AFVC-AUFPL and AFVC- APLZL by passing WBS element from a ztable.
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Since installing LTR 5.4, which I've now upgraded to 5.6, I've encountered repeated slowness and malfunctions in operations, especially when using the Compare View function and the Tab key to open and close the right and left side panels. Such problems n

Since installing LTR 5.4, which I've now upgraded to 5.6, I've encountered repeated slowness and malfunctions in operations, especially when using the Compare View function and the Tab key to open and close the right and left side panels. Such problems never arose during two years of using LTR-4 and nothing else has changed on my computer. I have a pretty simple system with only a few plug-ins, which are usually not in operation. I have 12GB of RAM in my Windows 7 PC. I could illustrate these problems with screen shots if you would tell me how to submit screen shots. Otherwise I will try to describe the problems in words.
The problem is clearly cumulative, growing worse as usage time passes. Compare View feature gradually slows down and eventually seems to choke as my work session proceeds. If I Exit LTR and re-enter and start all over, things will work normally for maybe 30 minutes, but then the Compare View feature begins to become very slow to respond. In a recent example with my screen full of thumbnails in Library mode I highlighted two images to compare. LTR started to open the Compare View screen by first having the top row of thumbnails disappear to be replaced by the "SELECT" and "CANDIDATE" words in their spaces (but no images), but Compare View never succeeded in gaining control of the screen. After some seconds the top row of thumbnails reasserted its position and the Compare View windows disappeared. But LTR kept trying to bring them back. Again the top row of thumbnails would go away, Select and candidate would reappear, try again, and give up. This went on for at least 2-3 minutes before I tried to choose File and Exit, but even that did not initially want to respond. It doesn't like to accept other commands when it's trying to open Compare View. Finally it allowed me to exit.
To experiment I created a new catalog of 1100 images. After 30-40 minutes, the Compare View function began to operate very slowly. With left and right side panels visible and two thumbnails highlighted, hitting Compare View can take half a minute before the two mid-size images open in their respective SELECT and CANDIDATE windows. When the side panels are open and two images are in the Select/Candidate spaces, hitting the Tab button to close the side panels produces a very delayed response--25-30 seconds to close them, a few more seconds to enlarge the two images to full size. To reverse the process (i.e., to recall the two side panels), hitting Tab would make the two sides of the screen go black for up to a minute, with no words visible. Eventually the info fields in the panels would open up.
I also created a new user account and imported a folder of 160 images. After half an hour Compare View began mis-placing data. (I have a screen shot to show this.) CANDIDATE appears on the left side of SELECT, whereas it should be on the right. The accompanying camera exposure data appears almost entirely to the left of the mid-screen dividing line. Although the Candidate and Select headings were transposed, the image exposure data was not, but the data for the image on the right was almost entirely to the left of the line dividing the screen in two.
Gurus in The Lightroom Forum have examined Task Manager data showing Processes running and Performance indicators and they see nothing wrong. I could also send screen shots of this data.
At this point, the only way I can process my images is to work 30-40 minutes and then shut down everything, exit, and re-start LTR. This is not normal. I hope you can find the cause, and then the solution. If you would like to see my screen shots, tell me how to submit them.
Ollie
[email protected]

Since installing LTR 5.4, which I've now upgraded to 5.6, I've encountered repeated slowness and malfunctions in operations, especially when using the Compare View function and the Tab key to open and close the right and left side panels. Such problems never arose during two years of using LTR-4 and nothing else has changed on my computer. I have a pretty simple system with only a few plug-ins, which are usually not in operation. I have 12GB of RAM in my Windows 7 PC. I could illustrate these problems with screen shots if you would tell me how to submit screen shots. Otherwise I will try to describe the problems in words.
The problem is clearly cumulative, growing worse as usage time passes. Compare View feature gradually slows down and eventually seems to choke as my work session proceeds. If I Exit LTR and re-enter and start all over, things will work normally for maybe 30 minutes, but then the Compare View feature begins to become very slow to respond. In a recent example with my screen full of thumbnails in Library mode I highlighted two images to compare. LTR started to open the Compare View screen by first having the top row of thumbnails disappear to be replaced by the "SELECT" and "CANDIDATE" words in their spaces (but no images), but Compare View never succeeded in gaining control of the screen. After some seconds the top row of thumbnails reasserted its position and the Compare View windows disappeared. But LTR kept trying to bring them back. Again the top row of thumbnails would go away, Select and candidate would reappear, try again, and give up. This went on for at least 2-3 minutes before I tried to choose File and Exit, but even that did not initially want to respond. It doesn't like to accept other commands when it's trying to open Compare View. Finally it allowed me to exit.
To experiment I created a new catalog of 1100 images. After 30-40 minutes, the Compare View function began to operate very slowly. With left and right side panels visible and two thumbnails highlighted, hitting Compare View can take half a minute before the two mid-size images open in their respective SELECT and CANDIDATE windows. When the side panels are open and two images are in the Select/Candidate spaces, hitting the Tab button to close the side panels produces a very delayed response--25-30 seconds to close them, a few more seconds to enlarge the two images to full size. To reverse the process (i.e., to recall the two side panels), hitting Tab would make the two sides of the screen go black for up to a minute, with no words visible. Eventually the info fields in the panels would open up.
I also created a new user account and imported a folder of 160 images. After half an hour Compare View began mis-placing data. (I have a screen shot to show this.) CANDIDATE appears on the left side of SELECT, whereas it should be on the right. The accompanying camera exposure data appears almost entirely to the left of the mid-screen dividing line. Although the Candidate and Select headings were transposed, the image exposure data was not, but the data for the image on the right was almost entirely to the left of the line dividing the screen in two.
Gurus in The Lightroom Forum have examined Task Manager data showing Processes running and Performance indicators and they see nothing wrong. I could also send screen shots of this data.
At this point, the only way I can process my images is to work 30-40 minutes and then shut down everything, exit, and re-start LTR. This is not normal. I hope you can find the cause, and then the solution. If you would like to see my screen shots, tell me how to submit them.
Ollie
[email protected]

How to compare delivery date in schedule lines and PGI in outbound delivery

Hi,
I want to create a report to monitor and compare different dates in sales and delivery process.
One of my key figure is the comparison between date confirmed to the customer, that I can find in the schedule line of the sales order, and the actual goods issue date from the outbound delivery.
But I can't succeed in making the link between delivery and schedule lines, means between LIKP and VBEP.
Would you have any idea?
Thank you.

It seems there's no exact (table) connection / link between delivery item and schedule line item.
Those who were searching for this thing (link / connection between delivery item and schedule line) were recommended to use FM "RV_SCHEDULE_CHECK_DELIVERIES".
This FM calculates the delivered quantity for each schedule line, so it makes link between the delivery item and schedule lines - however if you check the code it's quite sophisticated...
(if you put a breakpoint in the FM and display a SO in VA03, you can check how the parameters have to be populated with data).
Schedule Line and Delivery Link
Edited by: Csaba Szommer on Aug 5, 2011 12:03 AM

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