Acer Aspire E 13 idle fan noise

Hi. I have just bought an Acer Aspire E13 (ES1-311-C46Y). I like the computer except one thing. The fan makes an hight pitched/ high frekvent idle fan noise. Is it suppose to do this when the computer is completly new?//Mattias Ipsonius

matand30,
The fan should not be overly loud, it sounds like it might have an issue. I would recommend you contact the Acer technical support in your area and see what your options are.

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    Level 4: 3033 rounds/minute
    Level 5: 3074 rounds/minute
    Level 6: 3597 rounds/minute
    Level 7: 3773 rounds/minute
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    Level 2: 1700 rounds/minute (low noise level, sweet spot)
    Level 3: 1900 rounds/minute (low noise level, sweet spot)
    Level 4: 2100 rounds/minute (some noise level)
    Level 5: 2600 rounds/minute (high noise level)
    Level 6: 3100 rounds/minute (high noise level)
    Level 7: 3773 rounds/minute (high noise level)
    Level disengaged: 4754 rounds/minute (high noise level)
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    The "sweet spot" where both the fan will run most of the time and where the user would not complain is between 1500 rounds/minute and 2100 rounds/minute. If the fan needs to be faster to keep the system cooled, then the user is likely to run the system with considerable load to CPU or GPU. In this case, there is no option to reduce the fan speed, but also in this case, the user probably accepts the fan noise for the computing power delivered.
    The "sweet spot" in terms of CPU load is where the users do not accept fan noise while actually generating only minute CPU load (e.g. during web browsing or writing documents, where the CPU and the GPU is mostly idle). For many users, this is their normal working state (e.g. working in a quiet office, a very quiet library, a quiet bedroom, a quiet boardroom, ...). These scenarios are where Lenovo ThinkPads currently fail to deliver, unnecessarily
    The "sweet spot" needs higher resolution (more fan levels allocated to these fan speeds), because slightly different load patterns may make it necessary to go from one level to the next higher level, but then the next level still should be bearable. Conversely, the higher levels (e.g. from 2600 rounds/minute on) do not need such a high resolution, because for most of the users, these levels will be only attained rarely anyway, and then they are accepting the noise.
    Currently, there is no fan speed level at the sweet spot. With the proposed fix, there would be 3 fan speed levels at the sweet spot, with a neighbouring fan speed level (2100 rounds/minute) still being bearable when considering the performance delivered.
    There is no fan speed level below 1500 rounds/minute. This is ok, because the fan is nearly inaudible at this speed anyway, and below a certain speed, there is a risk (depending on the fan) for the fan to actually not rotate at all (e.g. due to friction).
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    The Lenovo engineer responsible for the Embedded Controller Program of the T530 should need less than one day to change the source code of the Embedded Controller Program and to recompile it. The engineer may need one additional day to test this program (e.g. for different types of fans), and there may be a need for an additional day to release the update to the BIOS and ECP. All in all, Lenovo should not need more than 3 engineer-days (maybe worth 1800 USD) to fix the problem.
    Why Lenovo should fix the problem:
    Probably the whole current T series (T530,T520,T430,T420) as well as the current W series (W530,W520) fails the users in any of these scenarios (among others):
    User working in a quiet office.
    User working in a quiet library.
    User working in a quiet bedroom.
    User working in a quiet boardroom.
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    Incidental remark: Lenovo subsidiary can do better:
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    What will I personally do:
    Some weeks ago, I had a powerful W530. I returned it due to fan noise for cash refund. Now I have the T530 (Serial number: R9RRF26) which has exactly the same problem. The deadline until I can legally request a cash refund runs until 2012-09-07. I hereby ask Lenovo:
    To fix the problem and release an ECP or BIOS update until 2012-09-06 (it is doable, see above) or
    if the problem cannot be fixed in this time (e.g. due to bureaucracy): provide me with a written statement (e.g. e-mail or forum post is sufficient) that my legal cash refund deadline (German law: §355 BGB) will be voluntarily extended by Lenovo (to some date Lenovo thinks it needs to fix the problem).
    If none of the above happens, I will have to return the T530 as well. This is the 2nd chance Lenovo has gotten from me, there will be no 3rd chance. I would have to turn to Fujitsu (they do have business-class machines with big batteries, FullHD, WWAN) and they probably have better fan control.
    Solved!
    Go to Solution.

    kaawee,
    Thank you for the considerable thought that you put into your summation / analysis and proposal for a change.
    I don't agree that you are wasting your time as we did make EC changes on the X220 and T420s to change fan behavior (along with several other systems).   However, not all customers agree that the changes made the system behave the way they wanted and were completely satisfied (hence some of the dissenting opinions expressed here).
    We are interested in feedback on T530, W530, T430 fan concerns and we are investigating.   It is possible that a future change might be made, but I cannot say for certain that it will, nor can we commit to making this change within 4 days (2 now remaining) from your original posting.
    Best regards,
    Mark
    ThinkPads: S30, T43, X60t, X1, W700ds, IdeaPad Y710, IdeaCentre: A300, IdeaPad K1
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