Acknowledgements using Business Systems
Hi:
I am a XI developer, and I am dealing with a interface:
SAP-(idoc)-> XI -
(file)---->legacy
I wanna have an acknowledgement from XI to SAP when the idoc have arrived to XI. My interface has Business Systems, we dont wanna Business services or BPM's.
CAN I OBTAIN THIS ACKNOWLEDGEMENT FROM XI???
thanks a lot
See if this idea can be used...
When the IDOC is received...you have configure to receiver systems.....
the one would be the File....and the second one would be the same SAP business system which send it...and you have to map the receiver IDOC to aleaud01 idoc with appropriate message in it....
1.IDOC --> XI --> map to file -- Send to legacy system.
2.IDOC --> XI --> map to ALEAUD01 IDOC --> send to sap sending the IDOC.
In the sending R/3 system, in the partner profile(WE20), you should maintain inbound parameters for ALEAUD01 idoc.
Thanks,
Renjith
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5 business party(only for xi 2.0)
rite
my question is that where we use ,which business systm ,like for which scenerio ,which busines system we use?
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Check with this Help file
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw70/helpdata/en/24/8fa93e08503614e10000000a114084/frameset.htm
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Could any one please guide me what is the difference between
Business Systems
and
Business Service.
Which situations we use Business Systems / Business Service.
Does it have any performance issues?
Why we are not configuring Business service in SLD?
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component versions of the business system. The business system services are used when
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Business Service -- Business System
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You use a Business Service, when you do not have the System details of the the partner system to which you want to communicate. i.e. you have not configured the partner system in SLD.
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Padmaja -
i have scenario SOAP to IDOC
when i'm using business service in sender side it is getting an error as follows
sender message can not convert to ALE Logical system
in this i'm using altova spy as testing tool
my sender interface is asynchronous
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You are sending IDOC's to SAP system right. we should create Business system not business service.
so we should create the business system as web AS ABAP in SLD and import the same in ID.
When we create the business system in SLD the logical system name is assigned for the business system. like SAPCLNT100...It plays a key role in IDOC scenarios.
sender message can not convert to ALE Logical system
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2) Sometimes the logical system name will be deleted from the business system in SLD.
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babu<b>URL</b>
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<b>Business System</b>
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<b>Business Service</b>
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saiHello,
Business systems are logical senders or receivers that exchange messages by using the Integration Server and that are entered in the System Landscape Directory.
The business systems in the System Landscape Directory relate to a system landscape. The business systems of business partners are therefore not entered in the System Landscape Directory. To be able to address such business partners logically, use communication components in the Integration Directory. A business system is a way of specifying a communication component in the Integration Directory more precisely (business system component).
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It is useful to use business services when configuring cross-company processes. Usually, the interface descriptions of the business partners involved are made publicly available. The system landscape is only partly known, however.
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw70ehp1/helpdata/en/c7/301640033ae569e10000000a155106/frameset.htm
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We will use Business Service when we dont know the SLD details and we know Partially
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Transport of Business System in IDoc scenarios.
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Seshagiri -
About business service and business system
before,i used business service.
i can add inbound and outbound interface at sender tab page and receiver tab page of business service entry in ID.
now,i am using business system.
i can not add inbound and outbound interface at sender tab page and receiver tab page of business system entry in ID.
i am confused.
my swcv design.like this: A_, AND I_ .
I_ depends A_. that is: A_ swcv contains same namesapce with I_ swcv in "basis object" entry.
i want to use the interface of A_ swcv instead of I_ swcv.
but i can only find out the interface of I_ swcv on the sender tab page and receiver tab page of business system entry in ID.
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how can i make it?- In SLD while creating the BusinessSystem, the I_SWCV is assigned to it. That is the reason you can able to see the interface of I_SWCV. Assign the A_SWCV to the Business System in SLD, you can able to see interfaces of that too.
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Hello,
I've a interface RFC to JDBC syncrhonous
I've two CC sender (RFC) for the same interface, one for each client. The test for one client is ok however the test in other client result with the follow error:
'aternativeServiceIdentifier: party/servce from channel configuration are not equal to party/service from lookup of alternativeServiceIdentifier..', I have seen the 730870 note (Q26) but i don't see how solved my problem.
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Thanks very much.>
silvia diego wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
> I've a interface RFC to JDBC syncrhonous
> I've two CC sender (RFC) for the same interface, one for each client. The test for one client is ok however the test in other client result with the follow error:
>
> 'aternativeServiceIdentifier: party/servce from channel configuration are not equal to party/service from lookup of alternativeServiceIdentifier..', I have seen the 730870 note (Q26) but i don't see how solved my problem.
/people/shabarish.vijayakumar/blog/2008/01/08/troubleshooting--rfc-and-soap-scenarios-updated-on-20042009
>
> 1.- Somebody can explain me the difference betwen using business system with party or business system without party in the integration directory?
>
> Thanks very much.
in you case you dont ahve to use a part. You have different Business services.
Configure you RFC adapters, one for each client.
/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2005/03/29/configuring-the-sender-rfc-adapter--step-by-step -
Why "Business System" under "Party"
Hi,
As per my understanding, the "Party" in IB-Config is mainly used for B2B integration and "Service without Party" is mainly used for A2A integration.
Under B2B scenario, one won't know the details of the application details of the partner's application, therefor we use "Business Service" , similarly for A2A scenario, one has the knowledge of the applications within the same organization and thereyby we use "Business System" in ID.
If my above statement is true ,then why do we have "Business System" under "Party" while defining the Collaboration Profile Objects in Integration Directory and similarly why do we have "Business Service" under "Service without party"?
Thanking all of you in advance.
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