ACR Camera Calibration Panel

Hi, I installed PSE 9 last week followed by ACR 6.2. I use a Sony Alpha 350.
In ACR, when I look at the Camera Calibration panel and drop-down menu I see "Adobe Standard" and "ACR 4.4".
Is this correct?
If not, what should be there? In looking at some Kelby books, it seems as though the creative styles from the camera appear there.
I don't know what I should be doing. Is there something additional I have to download?
Thank you.

Ok, now I see that in the unzipped ACR files you get two files and a folder called Win64. One file is Camera Raw.8bi which is the ACR plug in. The other file is CameraProfiles.exe which is, I guess, the Camera profiles executable.
If I run it does it install the Sony Alpha 350 creative styles under the Camera Calibration Panel????
Sorry, just don't know what to do.. thanks!

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I am running LR2.1,PS3 and ACR 4.5 on Win Vista. Current in the Camera Calibration panel under Profiles only Acr 4.4 and 4.2 show up.
Any ideas how to get my latest ACR version to show up?
TIA,
Jim

>Or is it a clash between two betas, ACR 4.6 and Camera Profiles? I'll try some of the D70 NEFs tonight....
There are profiles in the package for the D70 and D70s and they should work really well. With my old D50 (same sensor as the D70)
I get far better results with the camera matching profiles than with the Adobe standard profiles. The D90 is newer (very few people yet have it in the US) than the profiles and I am sure profiles will be added in the next go around.

ACR 3.7 not available in the Camera Calibration Profile

On a Mac G5 in the Develop module>Camera Calibration panel the only Profile that shows up is ACR 3.6. I have Camera Raw 3.7 installed in Library>Application Support>Adobe> Plug-Ins>CS2>File Formats>Camera Raw.plugin.
I have a new camera that is supported only by 3.7. Any ideas why this isn't available in the menu?

Yes. Because that only tells you WHEN your camera were profiled.
I think mine say 2.4 or something like that.
If your camera has been reprofiled you may have the option to use a older version in that menu.
For the record, LR doesn't care if you upgrade Camera Raw or not. LR is somewhat based on Camera Raw but is a completely separate app.
/Andreas

Two Selection for ACR 4.4 in Camera Calibration

Hi,
I was using Lr 2.2 and everything was fine, but I upgraded to Lr 2.3 and now I have two selections for the ACR 4.4 profile on the Camera Calibration panel. The profile choices are:
ACR 4.4
ACR 4.4
ACR 4.2
Adobe Standard
Camera Faithful
And so on...
Both work, but I dont need two. I've done all the usual stuff like uninstalling, reinstalling, removing camera profiles and so on with no luck. Any ideas? Where does Adobe store the ACR profiles?
BTW, there is only one selection for ACR 4.4 in Adobe Camera Raw in Ps CS3, if that helps.
Many thanks,
Dave
WinXP Pro, Lr 2.3, Ps CS3

Thanks, but that's just it. The files have only been edited in Lr and not in Bridge or Ps, although I have those programs. I didn't have the problem in Lr 2.2 and it immediately appeared when I upgraded to Lr 2.3 without any changes to the images or to the Lr catalog.
I just tried removing Lr completly and deleting the existing catalog, and then re-installing Lr and creating a new catalog and importing my images into it. It still does the same thing - two copies of ACR 4.4.

Basic panel's Tint VS Camera Calibration's Tint

Hi there!
..my first post here..
I was wondering..what's the point of having two Tint adjustments option? Do they affect the image differently? I wonder what's the technical need.
Hope is not too much of a silly question, but I wanted to get more in depth in the Camera Calibration panel.
thnx

Vit Novak wrote:
WB sliders are moving position of the white point, while saturation sliders in calibration section are changing the distance between (virtual) position of R, G and B primary of the sensor and the white point. They can't really do the same
Well, I don't understand the terminology you've used. But isn't this true:
Basic white balance:
* Temperature slider to the right reduces relative amount of blue.
* Tint slider to the right reduces relative amount of green.
And in camera calibration:
* B saturation to the left reduces the absolute amount of blue.
* G saturation to the left reduces the absolute amount of green.
So by changing *BOTH* global saturation and camera calibration sliders you can change the white balance of a photo, in a fashion very close to, if not exactly like the white balance sliders in the basic section.
That seems right to me - Is there something not being taken into consideration?
PS - ACDSee's editor only has R, G, & B sliders for adjusting white balance (there are no temperature and tint sliders), or at least that was true a few versions back.
Rob

Very interesting and informative post-LR/ACR Camera Profiles

This post by Eric Chan from Adobe is very imformative and reveals the reality of processing of raw files not only from Adobe's perspective but for all software that processes raw files from digital cameras. The thread is concerning Adobe's processing raw files from a Panasonic Camera model in comparison to the Camera's JPEG rendition.
"Sorry for joining this thread late.
Unfortunately this is a limitation of our current color profile process. This limitation actually applies to all of our camera models that we support, not just Panasonic. What is happening is that the color transform we've built is optimized mainly for daylight and incandescent light conditions, but when applied to scenes with bright light sources (especially neon lights, and especially blue/purple lights), the transform will tend to oversaturate and clip those colors.
My team is investigating how to build better profiles going forward, but in the meantime, my main suggestion is to try reducing the Red/Green/Blue Saturation sliders in the Camera Calibration panel (not the HSL tab, and not in the Basic panel). This will help to reduce the oversaturation and clipping, and will give you a better starting point for further edits (Exposure, Contrast, etc.). As a shortcut, you can store your Red/Green/Blue Saturation slider adjustments as a preset that you can then apply quickly to other images you have that show the same issue."
Link to the actual thread.
http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1254354?start=40&tstart=0

My Nikon D80 and D90 don't look the same and I have run comparisons between the Canon 7D and the Nikon D90. Taken together, they all different from each other.
The biggest difference between the D80 and the D90 seems to lie with the much larger dynamic range of the D90. Compared to the D80 at first glance, the D90 seems washed out at the lower values. This is easily overcome in ACR, but even with that, the subjectivity of the reproduction sometimes gives a nod to one over the other.
The closest film comparison is Fuji Astia vs Provia. The D90 at default Nikon Camera Standard resembles Astia, while the D80 is a cross between Provia and Velvia. All this is controlable. One slider I use to enrich the D90 presentation is the black slider
The Canon has other undefined differences which I have simply noted by viewing. I haven't engaged in any tweaking of that camera's images.
So I'll use both the D80 and the D90 according to what I am wanting to happen. Of course, there are times where the differences simply inform the operator of what may be doable, and then one is tweaked to look much like the other.
I checked out sprengel's links to the calibrator software. They have stopped at CS3, it seems. How does it perform with CS5? I may want to at least run a calibration of both cameras and look again.
And, of course, Adobe Standard and Nikon Standard do not agree. At all. So, when is a standard not a standard?
When there is more than one.
Looking back at your post, I should specify that the profile I used when making the comparisons have been the Camera standards, not Adobe Standard.
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Camera calibration 'V4' profiles Nikon D700

Hello, I have a question about the camera calibration panel. I'm using a Nikon D700. In the profile list of the camera calibration panel I'm seeing for example 'Camera Standard' but also 'Camera Standard V4'. I'm confused about which one to use the best. Because if the 'Camera Standard V4' is a newer version, why is the 'Camera Standard' profile also still there?

Any profile that is listed is there to be used. It's up to your personal taste and your shooting style to determine which profile is "best". I don't have that camera and I don't have different versions of profiles. It would be reasonable to assume that a version 4 would be improved. That sometimes happens with new cameras. But the only way to determine which is going to be the best for your images is to try them both and decide. There is no right or wrong profile to use. The right profile to use is the one that gives you the best results.

Lightroom 4.3 doesn't show my Camera Calibration Profile.

I have Lightroom 4.3 and a Canon 6D. I cannot get Lightroom to display my Camera Calibration Profile when I am developing a raw file.
I have dug through the MAC Library and Application Support folder and found CameraRaw. That folder contains my listed cameras. But when I am in Lightroom, I do not see that profile in the Camera Calibration section.
Is there a way to force Lightroom to display my camera profile? Lightroom 2 used to display it.

If the screen shot you posted is what you see in the Lightroom Camera Calibration panel, then they are the profiles that are specific to your camera model.
Thats just the way they are named. You will not see profiles that are specific to other cameras.

Lr 4 - Camera Calibration

I am using Lightroom 4 on Windows 7.
Why is there only one Profile in the Develop Module / Camera Calibration Panel? (ie Adobe Standard) Shouldn't there be a whole series of profiles?
At the time, I had a photo open that was imported directly from a Pentax K-x in RAW (DNG) format, ie it was converted to DNG in camera. Does this even matter?
Am I missing something?

Not all cameras have those specific profiles. Some cameras only have the
Adobe Standard. Your Pentax is one of them.

Leica V-Lux 4 camera calibration

When could I expect the profile will be aded to the camera calibration panel ?

The Adobe Standard profile for this camera is already available and almost certainly the one already being used. Check to see the name of the profile set in Camera Calibration panel.
If you're hoping for Camera Standard or any of the other special profiles (e.g. portrai, landscape, etc) then I think you might be in for a long wait. Same applies if your expecting the profile to include the name of canmera vendor or model.

How do I get the Basic and camera calibration sub panels in the develop modual to come back after they go away on there own?

I was working on images and then when I picked a different image the basic and camera calibration sub panels disappeared. How do I get them back?

Right click on one of the other headers and a popup will appear and you can select the ones you need to view.

Camera Calibration in ACR & DNG Profile Editor

I am having the hardest time figuring out how to use the camera profiles generated with DNG Profile Editor in Camera Raw.
I am using Photoshop CS4 in Windows 7. I have generated the .dcp file with DNG Profile Editor and saved it in the folder: Program Files/Adobe/Photoshop CS4/Presets/Camera Profiles.
This is about as far as I've gotten. I have not been able use this profile in ACR under the Camera Calibration Tab. I have been lead to believe that is would show up automatically. I have not found any video tutorials related to ACR and installing Camera Profiles. They all seem to relate to Lightroom.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

If you would like to look or copy profiles manually (for example you have received a profile made by someone else; for Windows7 you should be able to see where the Profiles are stored by searching for *.dcp (meaning any file with the extension .dcp)
That will show you where the Adobe supplied profiles are located. You can copy your custom profiles to the sub-folder of your camera type in the Camera folder.The other folder you see is where the Adobe Standard profiles live.
If you cannot see the programdata folder (and that is the case by default) you can make all hidden files visible:
(this from Windows Help, just search for show hidden files)
Computer>Organize>Folder and search options>View. In Advanced settings check the radio button Show hidden files, folders, and drives and then OK
Now you should see the programdata folder visible under your system (C:) folder
I hope that helps.

"Camera Profile" in Camera Calibration ACR tab - Q

I upgraded from PSE5 whcih used ACR 4.7 - and now using PSE8 w ACR 6.1
In the Camera Calibration tab in the Camera Profile drop down - I see "ACR 4.7" still listed.
Can someone tell me how to make use of this tab and how I can delete the ACR 4.7 and use 6.1 - if there is a benefit to doing so?
Thank-you!

I think the issue could be that I have both PSE 5 & 8 installed at the moment. I'm using the 30 Day Trial - and I'll uninstall PSE 5 once I get my actual disc & serial # in the mail. I did not want to uninstall v5 until I had the v8 serial # and was convinced that v8 worked well. During the v8 installation - it recognised v5 but said I can keep it. My concern is uninstalling both and reinstalling v8 and having catalog & stack issues.
I installed the camera profiles as Adobe directs "before" pasting the new ACR 6.1 file in the folder.
Nevertheless, I installed the cameraprofiles.exe again today - previous to posting this thread.
I guess a main question is - what would I be missing out on by not having ACR 6.1 in the profile? (vs 4.6)

Camera calibration only shows ACR 3.3 & 4.4 in Lightroom 2.5

I can't find anything recent about the camera calibration options except they are out of Beta, but shouldn't I see something other than ACR 3.3 / 4.4? I thought there was a list of cameras there previously.
I'm on Mac 10.4.11.
Thanks,
Debra

Debra:
Be thankful you've seen ACR 3.3 and 4.4 in Lightroom 2.5. Having installed the LR 2.5 update twice, all I've seen is a camera calibration called "Beta".
As usual, I log on as administrator to perform Adobe updates. In this particular case, after upgrading, and logging in as a User, Beta was the only profile listed.
Having just purchaased and installed Xrite's Color Checker Passport, I used that software to create a profile for my new Canon 7D camera. I currently have just two profiles, Beta and Canon 7D Neutral. The rest of the camera profiles provided by Adobe are still missing.
Spending several hours searching for .dcp files (camera calibration files) I see that doing a search for .dcp files in both visible and hidden file locations, I've found two locations where .dcp files are located namely:
1) C:\Documents and Settings\Strenk\Application Data\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles\Canon EOS 7D Neutral.dcp (Color Checker Passport created)
2) C:\Documents and Settings\ All Users\Application Data\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles\Adobe Standard
While I haven't attempted to do so yet, I'm guessing that copying files from location 2 to location 1 will allow you to find the camera profiles that Adobe provides in the Lightroom 2.5 update.
I hope this helps!

Adobe Standard Camera Calibration greatly underexposes in ACR 7.0

With all ACR defaults, including Adobe Standard (2012) camera calibration, when I open a Raw image (NEF from Nikon D3x or D3s), the blacks are blocked up and the entire histogram is "squashed" down and both ends are pulled in toward the middle, further reducing the dynamic range. The resulting excessive contrast looks horrible. All other settings are at zero, except lens correction is checked On. (Clicking that on or off has almost no effect on the histogram.)
Just changing the Camera Calibration to 2010 helps the image tremendously. But I notice it has set Blacks +25, Clarity +7, and has made a custom Point curve that is essentially an inverted S-curve. This successfully unblocks the shadows, but it seems bizarre that the new default Adobe Standard would be so far off.
I don't know if I'm missing a new, hidden setting, or if that's an issue unique to Nikon D3-series.
Any insight would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Tom

Thanks, Jeff. I hadn't made any changes to ACR, but went back and reset them anyway, with the same results.
What's puzzling is that the NEF opens pretty much the same in ACR 2010 as it does in Nikon's Capture NX2, with a histogram that looks similar to the JPEG one on the camera. When I use PV 2012, I get blocked up shadows, and an overall darker image. From top to bottom: ACR6, ACR7, Capture NX2.

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