ACR color difference with PS CS4

I tried a search and can't find a thread about what I'm seeing, so I'm posting in the hopes that others may be seeing the same thing.
I have PS CS4 and ACR 5.3 (latest patches) on a Windows XP Pro computer. I use Adobe RGB as my working space and profile my dual monitors with an Eye One Display2. I recently started experimenting with using ACR to edit tif files, but I noticed that while the image is loaded in the ACR window it looks quite different color wise than the Bridge thumbnail or within CS4 (after opening it as a smart object). The look in ACR is similar to what the same image looks like in CS4 with the ColorMatch profile assigned to the image (i.e. quite a bit brighter and lacking saturation).
Here's the weird things:
When I first open the tif image, it looks correct as long as the exclaimation mark is present on the preview window. Once the file is fully processed and that icon disappears the image color makes the dramatic change. If I then make no changes and simply open the image in CS4, then it's back to the original "correct" colors.
If I zoom in the ACR preview to 50% or higher, then the color difference is negligible if not entirely gone, but I can't edit an 8000x5000 without seeing the entire image.
Here's what I have tried:
Turned off all OpenGL features
Verified my monitor profile was being recognized by CS4
Ensured my color settings didn't get changed (preserve profiles is on, as well as ask on mismatch)
Tested them with an image that was a known mismatch and it asked what I should do as expected
I tried PS CS3 and ACR 4.x with the same result
Stripped out XMP metadata with Exiftool to see if that may have been an issue - it wasn't
I'm hoping someone else has an idea what is causing this or if it's a known issue. Any ideas or confirmation on what I'm seeing would be appreciated.
Craig

cssadobe wrote:
It doesn't matter which space is set, the display of the image is always the same in ACR.
Holy cow! If that's the case in your setup, you have a HUGE problem, Craig.
You should definitely see a big difference in the ACR preview when you set your ACR worflow options to ProPhoto RGB compared to either Adobe RGB or sRGB. If you don't, either your monitor is not accurately calibrated and profiled, or it's a lousy narrow-gamut monitor, or your color management is broken.
EDIT: It could be that the scan was not really made in ProPhoto RGB but was converted by the lab to that profile, in which case then, yes, you would see no difference because the true, original color space was and remains narrower and smaller than the lowest common denominator, which could well be anything, including Color Match or sRGB (and we all know what the s stands for in sRGB!).
cssadobe wrote:
Since PS CS4 created the tiff, the preview and the actual image data should be identical in my opinion. Would you agree with that? I don't know why PS would create a preview that was not identical in display characteristics to the actual image.
No, I would not agree with that. No reasonable person can expect a low-resolution, JPEG-like preview embedded in the TIFF to look identical to the TIFF. Information has to be discarded to generate the preview. But that's beyond the scope of ACR.
What I would expect is that ACR would render a better display from the original data in the TIFF than what the mediocre embedded preview can generate.
cssadobe wrote:
If I zoom in on the image in ACR to at least 50%, then the difference seems to disappear.
Well, duh! You only see the real image when you view it at 100%. The farther you get from 100%, the more information is either being discarded (at anything less than 100%) or made up, invented at greater than 100%. 50% is still not as good as 100%, but it's definitely better than the miserably low 8.7% view you were using when you made that last screen shot.
Seeing that you have severe problems with your display, as suggested by the first paragraph in this post, there seems to be no point in discussing in detail any of the discrepancies you mention, most especially at any other view that is not actual pixels (100%).
I'll have to read the thread again when I have the time to see if you have said when you calibrated your monitor last and how, what your color settings are, what monitors you're running, etc.
I validate the calibration on my monitors practically on a daily basis with a hardware calibrator puck.
But, ultimately, viewing a large scan at a dismal 8.7% you can't make any of the judgments you are trying to make.

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[       0] Tue Mar 2 11:36:23 2010 DEBUG
Mid stream failure: User decided to quit
[       0] Tue Mar 2 11:36:23 2010 INFO
Calling the ROLLBACK custom action code for pre-install for payload {2B47D5DE-E019-4130-AB69-2DAB4DEEBB0A}
[       0] Tue Mar 2 11:36:23 2010 DEBUG
BEGIN Payload Properties
ARK_UninstallAliasName=Uninstall Adobe Color JA Extra Settings CS4
AddRemoveInfoEstimatedSize=2216341
AdobeCode={2B47D5DE-E019-4130-AB69-2DAB4DEEBB0A}
CLE=
EULA_LANGUAGE=en_US
INSTALLDIR=/Applications
MEDIATAG=
OS64Bit=0
UILanguageSelected=en_US
UPGRADEQUALSN=
defaultLanguage=en_US
driverAdobeCode={E8B28C6D-46DF-4842-9B06-9924D94DA1E0}
eula_EPIC_EULA_ACCEPTED=1
eula_EPIC_EULA_SELECTED=0
installLanguage=en_US
installSourcePath=/Library/Application Support/Adobe/Installers/502814f68fd7e36868492dfad441107
mediaName=Adobe CS4 Design Premium Disc 1
mediaPath=/Volumes/Adobe CS4 Design Premium Disc 1/Adobe CS4 Design Premium/payloads/AdobeColorJA_ExtraSettings2-mul/AdobeColorJA_ExtraSettings2-mul.dmg
mediaType=1
mediaVolumeIndex=1
parentAdobeCode=
platform=OSX
productName=Adobe Color JA Extra Settings CS4
sessionID=502814f68fd7e36868492dfad441107
setupVersion=2.0.138.0
END Payload Properties
Operation complete. Setting status: 2
Popping new operation
Creating instruction for payload {6CA25E84-FDC9-4EAE-86A6-FE0697BAF171} Adobe Color NA Recommended Settings CS4
User exited workflow.
Marking payload {6CA25E84-FDC9-4EAE-86A6-FE0697BAF171} Adobe Color NA Recommended Settings CS4 as canceled
Status object
Log of: object
isRunning {boolean}: false
percentComplete {number}: 100
message {object}: [object Object]
Log of: object
code {number}: 1
Set payload canceled status
Creating instruction for payload {9153FB2B-184A-4FBD-A4DE-334CFD5900E9} Adobe Utilities CS4
User exited workflow.
Marking payload {9153FB2B-184A-4FBD-A4DE-334CFD5900E9} Adobe Utilities CS4 as canceled
Status object
Log of: object
isRunning {boolean}: false
percentComplete {number}: 100
message {object}: [object Object]
Log of: object
code {number}: 1

you can uninstall any cs4 program that is installed.
clean (Use the CC Cleaner Tool to solve installation problems | CC, CS3-CS6)
and retry installing.
if you again see a 1603 error, check your install logs for more specific info - Troubleshoot installation with install logs | CS3, CS4

Using multiple pens with Photoshop CS4

Hello,
as some of you already know, in older Photoshop versions (5.0 and 5.5) there was a possibility to use multiple pens with the help of the old Wacom Tool-ID Plugin.
Isn't there any way to port this old plugin to Photoshop CS4? I would like to use my Airbrush & Grip Pen with different colors and brushes by simply changing them.
If this way is impossible, would it be too difficult to create such a plugin by myself? (With the Photoshop SDK and so on).
thanks,
Matthias Clasen

Thanks 99jon,
I appreciate the careful and easy to understand reply, Jon99. Versions of P higher than CS4 are prohibitively expensive for me at this stage. If I get on with digital photography then I might look at the PCS and L CC subscription option in the future.
I went ahead I aquired my bargain basement version of P CS4 and like it so far, but I held back on LR5 until I had a clearer view of what it enables me to do and thanks for the information.
Do you or anyone know if I can sell my version of P CS4 when if I decide to move up to the Cloud solution? Flicking through another Pogue-style book seems to suggest that the latest versions of P CS and L are the current state-of-the-art. Is there a simple list of what users of this option consider to be the main, *essential* improvements of the latest versions of these two pieces of software that possibly make it a must-purchase. I am not after an exhaustive list, but just the main improvements that may make this an essential purchase after I cut my teeth with P CS4.
I am a real novice and have included the specs of my camera and MacBook Pro in my previous post for anybodies info in order to help me.
Many thanks,
David

CS5 - Color difference between Photoshop and other programs

I'm running CS5.5 student edition on a brand new Asus Q500A laptop running Windows 8. i7 processor and a UMA graphics card.
I do not have calibration software; I'm using Calibrize for the moment and colors appear fairly true when browsing after calibration.
My problem is that overall colors in Photoshop appear more saturated than those in regular browser windows, particularly reds. I set up my computer to run the Win8 photos app and my desktop with Photoshop simultaneously and the color difference was immediately noticeable. I did a quick screen grab to show the difference; the inset photo is the one viewed in Win8's photos app, and the background is the exact same photo open in Photoshop.
This is the second install of this program. I originally installed it on a Dell Inspiron with a DuoCore processor (way out of spec, I know - that's why I upgraded!) and I seem to remember having this issue then, too. I found a way to correct it, but I don't remember how I fixed it and Photoshop is no longer on that machine so I can't look over my settings.
I have not changed the color profile in Photoshop. When installed it chose North America General Purpose 2 as default and I've left it there. I experimented with the other color profiles and while the color tone in Photoshop changes, there is still a difference when the image is viewed in another program.
Any help is much appreciated - I can't trust the program to handle color properly right now and until I can, I'm dead in the water.

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree. When I view the image on another computer or my iPhone, the image views properly. It's my photography, from a tree in my back yard. I know how the image is supposed to look, and right now it doesn't look right in Photoshop.
On my previous machine, I am almost positive that it was saving as sRGB by default as well. I don't remember what color profile I was working in, but I know that I did not have a color profile/space error pop up on opening new images, nor do I have that problem on other images saved on that machine that I'm opening on the laptop.

Color differences between these two files?

Could someone please tell me the color differences between these two files? What are the differences in general of these two files and how do I make a file identical to the blue cancel button?
I am working with signature pads and the BLUE CANCEL image works, but the other GREEN image does not. Both are 8-bit .bmp files... HELP!

#1, obviously, would be to connect a mic that doesn't require phantom power.
And #2 comes with a 6 ft. USB cable, so you may not need a bunch more cables. Maybe just one standard XLR to connect a mic to it.
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Color Difference - Camera Raw & Nikon Raw NEF

Hello everybody
When i open a Nikon Raw file in Camera Raw (Photosop CC) I notice a distinct color-difference between the integrated preview image in the Raw file and the camera Raw standard.
I want to start with the exact same color how it came from the camera.
Refers to Nikon D300 or D800 in Raw / Nef format.
left, from Camera Raw 8.4.1 "Camera Raw Standard"
right, integrated preview from the original raw-file
Mostly i have the difference in Blue, it's too much cyan in there an looks not "natural"!
thanks for help

The third icon in from the right (looks like a camera) called camera calibrations is where the presets live that supposedly match that of your camera.
Even though you use those presets, you are not done. To match what you see in your camera, you must manually adjust the sliders under the basic tab until it does match.
What you see in your camera is a processed image, which is applied to a jpg only. The raw file is just that raw, no processing is done to it. Think of it as a negative. It is your permanent record of the image. Camera raw is then used to manually set up the image to your personal liking. Which does a better job the camera or yourself, is dependent on your skills. You can get details out of that raw file that the camera can not.
When you find you are placing the sliders in certain location more than once, then it is time to create a preset in camera raw that stores those settings. The more you use camera raw, more you can see when your own preset can be used (even as a starting point) and when it is time to do everything manually.
So in other words it is going to take time to 1)get a keen eye 2)understand the subtle differences in what each setting does and 3) collect a library of presets that you can use time and again.

ACR color difference with PS CS4

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