Add canvas to a cropped smart object

Hello,
Using PS6 64 bit.
I bring in an image as a smart object, crop it (with 'delete cropped pixels' checked) and then attempt to add canvas on all sides.
The image reverts to its pre-cropped size with the added canvas on 3 sides.
If I flatten the smart object before adding canvas, it works fine.
Is there any way to get this to work with a smart object?
Thanks.

Could you please post a screenshot with the pertinent Panels visible?
In the clipped state you could add a Vector Mask (Select All, Make Work Path) to the SO.

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I see a display like you show.
For when the it was first opened as a smart object layer it was not cropped. ACR set the new Document canvas size to the image's pixel size for there was no open document and the transform associated the smart object anchor point is the canvas center and the width an height sizes are both 100%.
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When changing the canvas size of a smart object, the layer on the original document will distort visually since it doesn't update the size of the smart object.
Is there a solution to this, or an easy way to quickly update every instance of the smart object on the original doc?
To clarify: I know that you can change the dimensions of the smart object on the original doc and it'll fix it, my question is if there's a way to automatically have that happen and have the original doc smart objects respect your canvas size changes on the smart object doc.
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When changing the canvas size of a smart object, the layer on the original document will distort visually since it doesn't update the size of the smart object.
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that you've selected?
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Do you have any opinion on whether it's better to use a smart object or not? I'll try both, I guess, and see what it does to my file size.
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