Adding pulldown to 8mm film from 18fps - 24fps

This is probably an obscure question, but I've basically built a simple telecine and taken still frames of an old 8mm film that runs at 18fps. I'm importing it into FCP at 1 frame per still and putting them into a 23.98 sequence, then slowing it down by 2/3s to get it at the right speed. This solution works but it blends frames, etc. FCP doesn't let you use a custom editing timebase for a sequence, so I'm wondering if Cinema Tools will let me add a pulldown to convert the 18fps stills to 24fps video clip or if there is a way to set the 24p sequence speed to 66.67% without it frame blending and instead just duplicate frames in a cadence, essentially adding pulldown. I'm hoping that with an easy method I can digitize many more 8mm films. Thanks for any advice.

Thanks, I completely forgot about that. If I'm missing something here, let me know: The only thing is that for some reason FCP won't duplicate frames if the sequence is made of still clips, the screen just goes black. But if you export the sequence as a reference quicktime and import that, slowing it down without frame blending, it works perfect.

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Use of a digital camera and projector, as you've suggested, is probably the simplest way. I would only suggest that, instead of a projecting onto a screen or wall, you use a video transfer device such as those designed originally for transferring movies-to-tape.
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I have 8mm films transferred to .avi files at 18fps. Can I use Final Cut Express to convert to standard DVDs to play on a US TV?

Hi
I was hoping that FCE would be able to handle the coversion from 18 to 30fps but that appears not to be the case.
It does - If I'm not totally wrong. Can be to much using FinalCut Pro (6)
Start FCE
Select type of project You want to do
I guess - NTSC 29.97fps - Select that from FCE menu / Easy Set-up
Start a new Sequence
DROP A PHOTO in TimeLine - at beginning.
Now project is locked to 29.97 fps
Now import and drop the 18fps clip in TimeLine.
Select to convert it to match the setting of TimeLine.
IF THIS IS A GOOD WAY - I hesitate to say - It works - but if quality is OK or not - I don't know
I DO : use JES_Deinterlacer (free from Internet) to convert the frame rate in my clips (usually 25fps) to 29.97 fps - Then and first then I import the converted clip into FinalCut to be used in my NTSC projects.
The quality done in this way - is very good and the program is free - so I can not want any better.
Yours Bengt W

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The guys over at the g5 discussions sent me here.
I plan to buy a machine which transfers 8mm movie film directly to the computer.
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Bob
What do you have now.....
What computer operating system do you have?
We can go into the finer points of source and your intentions, but for now it would appear that you are using SD 4:3 source media to get to a HD 16:9 result. Lots to discuss in this regard.
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VTS_01_1.VOB, VTS_01_2.VOB, and so on through that series until possibly getting to
VTS_02_1.VOB, and so on. How many files you have beyond the VTS_01_1.VOB file will depend on the size of the DVD-VIDEO.
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How can I buy a film from an ohter iTunes store?
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I have selected a service to convert and save my families old 8mm film to a hard drive (which I will be supplying). I would like to import the movies (files) from the HD into iMovie for editing and eventual burn to DVD. What format should the service save the files in? Quicktime .mov? or something else? The service lists: Raw DV or AVI Type 1 or Type 2 or Type 2c or Matrox AVI or Avid DV OMF.
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Hi Tyler!
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I'm going to have my dad transfer all of the family 8mm films at a professional transfer place. (8mm, mind you, NOT Super8) to DVD. I'd like to have uncompressed (HD) files so that someday in the future I can put them into imovie. For now, my dad would like them all on DVD.
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Does anyone have a suggestion as to how I can get from 8mm film to IMovie?
I had 400 feet of 8mm transferred to DVD But IMovie won’t accept it. Says QuickTime can’t parse it.
Called Apple and asked if QuickTimePro might do the job. The answer was yes and 100 bucks later I had Toast 8 Titanium. Rather than send it back( I thought I’d ordered QuickTime Pro) I called Roxio and asked if Toast would convert the DVD to something IMovie could use. Again, the answer was yes.
When I used Toast it gave me a message that it couldn’t do the job because the DVD “might be copy protected”. A call to the DVD provider indicated that the DVD was copy protected ... even tho’ it is my film on the DVD.
Someone said to try MacTheRipper. I did and it did rip the movie from the DVD but it was still “copy protected”. Running that through Toast didn’t help.
On online site suggests (buying) a digital movie camera and recording my movies from the projected movies, then transferring that to my MAC. I’ll probably do that if I can’t find something simpler.
I still have over 7,000 feet of 8 and super 8 film to work with so, if anyone has a suggestion I’d very much appreciate it?
For info, I’m very much an amateur.
IMAC G 5 (Intel) IMovie 6.03 QuickTime 7.0.3
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A fascinating project!
My older brother had 4 hours of (silent) 8mm cine film dating back to 1958-1980 (when he finally bought a video camera!). He wanted me to convert them to carefully edited DVDs, with music, sound effects, titles and so on. Like a madman I accepted the challenge! To make life easier he lives in Belgium and uses a PC!
The process, to cut this short, was as follows:
At considerable expense he had all the film transferred to four DVDs in some PC-only friendly mpeg codec, and sent them to me.
I used Streamclip and the Apple mpeg thingy (saving time by not loking it up) to convert these to Quicktime DV files. To make life even easier, the Belgian moron who did the conversion to DVDs had not done so in chronologal order!
That made for a very large QT file, which I imported into iMovie, and set about carving it into date order, re-exporting the various years to QT as individual files, and then importing into iMovie projects to edit.
Only a couple of months later I had it organised into three projects, each of an hour or so, beautifully edited with titles, transitions, music, sound effects and other bells and whistles, and burnt them to 3 DVDs. I was generally agreed that I deserved an Oscar for technical merit!
That was just to let you know that it can be done!
Your only real hurdle is the copy protection. Can you get a fresh set that is NOT copy protected?
But before you even start I heartily recommend that you update your OS and all software to the latest versions, particularly Quicktime, and make that Pro.

How To Transfer 8mm film to DVD

HI,
My Mom just gave me a bag of 8mm and super 8mm film reels. I want desperately to figure out how to get them into my mac for editing.
She does not have the projector any more.
Can anyone advice me on a course of action. I know I can go have them done some where but I would rather figure it out and do it myself.
Do I need to go buy a projector? If so, is there a specific projector I should be looking for?
Once I have the projector, how do you get it into your mac? adapter, go between?
I so appreciate your help. My Parent's wedding is on there and I have never seen it. I would be a dream to get to edit that for them.
Thanks in advance,
Susan

Start looking at links from this site:
http://www.moviestuff.tv/
As people are alluding to above, you'll have to decide how pristine of a transfer you want. I would advise looking into local companies if you're in a decent sized town/city. Then you don't have to worry about where your film will be or go to. Discuss the techniques used with the proprietor. I was able to find a company in Maryland that did a terrific job with stuff going back to the 30s using equipment from Moviestuff. The main thing to keep in mind is that you should NOT attempt to run the films through a normal projector that has a full-brightness bulb, which can result in your film getting cooked instantly due to their age. Also, a quote from one transfer site regarding home projection:
"The films are subjected to the harsh pull-down claw mechanism of a projector that may or may not be in good working order. The films of the participants may leave dirt and debris in the projector that will scratch the subsequently projected films." (see http://www.bonofilm.com/super8reality.asp)
--JV
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I'm using Premiere 12 on Windows 8. I just got a sample from the company that converted 8mm film to 720HD ProRes422.mov onto a DVD.
I loaded into Premiere 12 without problem and can see, edit and publish.
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Good news. That footage is not AVCHD.avi. What you have is MotionJPEG.avi which is usually not good news for Premiere Elements. But, if you can import it in the first place, let us give it a go.
The video is 1920 x 1080 @ 29.97 frames per second. The GSpot codec program does not tell us if interlaced or progressive. The way to determine that for sure is with the MediaInfo readout. But, let us try to avoid that with a "try and see" approach.
1. Open Premiere Elements 12 to its Expert workspace, and import your video into the project with Premiere Elements' Add Media/Files and Folders/Project Assets. From Project
Assets, drag the video to the Timeline. Does it have an orange line over its content? If no, then our project preset stays at
NTSC
AVCHD
Full HD 1080i30
And, we have the correct project preset. What does the playback in the Edit area monitor look like?
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2. In the new Premiere Elements 12 project to its Expert workspace, with the File Menu/New/Project route, manually set the project preset for
NTSC
DSLR
1080p
DSLR 1080p30@ 29.97
Then import the video into the project with Premiere Elements' Add Media/Files and Folders/Project Assets. From Project Assets, drag the video to the Timeline. Does it
have an orange line over its content? If no, then our project preset stays at
NTSC
DSLR
1080p
DSLR 1080p30@ 29.97
There will be no colored line over the Timeline content if we have the right project preset. What does the playback in the Edit area monitor look like?
At this point, please let us know the results, and we will decide what next.
Thanks.
ATR

Adding pulldown to 8mm film from 18fps - 24fps

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