Additional Subtitling Tools

I've recently been contracted to produce a series of Worship DVDs by various Praise Bands in our area (all copyright and licensing laws are being observed). These DVDs will be a sing-along type that will give the user several different options (similar to karaoke).
Contrary to many, I find the subtitle tools in EncoreDVD very useful and accurate, but I'd like to see some additions.
1. Automatic settings to allow subtitles to be placed by the author's choice at the top, middle, or bottom of the safe zone of the accompanying video. I'd like my users to have the choice of where they want to view the subtitles, depending on the height and location of their screen. Currently, the only way I've figured how to do this is to move each subtitle manually to its proper position. An automatic (global) option would save loads of time.
2. The ability to highlight individual or all blocks on the subtitle timeline and change font sizes and colors. This may already be available, but I'm not at my EncoreDVD computer right now to check it out.
3. The ability to copy/paste individual/several/all blocks of subtitle text to new areas of the timeline so that only the time placement needs to be adjusted. Currently, you can highlight those blocks, but you can't do much more than move them around. In music DVDs, there are many verses/choruses that repeat and this would be a time/money saver. My workaround it to create duplicate subtitle tracks and drag the blocks I need from the dupes and adjust them to the audio/video. It works, but since I'm doing English, Spanish, and French tracks, it becomes a bit tedious.
4. A way to save/extract created subtitles in EncoreDVD text/script format for future use so they don't have to be recreated from scratch (would also be a big help for intermittent saves in case a project becomes corrupted).
Peace, BJ

Hi Joe,
i Not sure if your first request is possible. Encore does allow the author to place the subtitles on import, but subtitles are converted to RLE bitmaps on export to DVD (standard). It may be possible to allow user control over where they appear onscreen, but if so, I am unaware of the mechanism that would allow it. Have you seen any DVDs that allow this?
I have seen this on several DVDs. There's a company called iWorship that offers this feature, but I don't really think there's a special mechanism for this. My guess is that you just create 3 different subtitle tracks per language, aligning them at the top third, middle, and lower third. Then you create a button on your language menu for each track. You'd link each button to the title, and assign subtitle 1,2, or 3 to the buttons. I've already experimented with this and it appears to work just as theirs does.
i Your second request is already possible in Encore.
I kind of guessed it was possible, but I wasn't posting from a computer where I could test it, so I thought I'd mention it with the others.
i Your third request is somewhat possible: you can duplicate a subtitle track, then edit the subtitles.
Again, I'm not working on a computer that has EncoreDVD on it at the moment. Are you suggesting something different from what I already described above? Are you saying that you can copy and paste from the duplicate track and not the original? I thought I tried that and it didn't work.
i Your fourth request- that's a feature request. But I'd suggest that you use an external application to create subtitles, such as Lemony or Subtitle Workshop.
I've not tried Lemony, but I do have Subtitle Workshop and a couple of other subtitle programs. I do use them for normal subtitles that appear in the standard bottom of the screen. They don't seem to be able to do what I want to do for this project directly.
I suppose I could create the scripts there, import them into EncoreDVD and then adjust the positions. This project is going to take quite a bit of time to produce as 100% of the profit is going for a charity (Muscular Dystrophy) and I'm doing everything myself and I'm just looking for ways to automate as much as possible.
Peace, BJ

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