Adobe Camera Profiles in Lightroom 2.4

Hello,
I upgraded to Lightroom 2.4, and installed Camera Raw 5.4. The Sony A330 is on the support list now. However, I cannot see the profiles under camera calibration in the develop tab. What gives with this? I shut down and reopened, but no good. I didn't reboot. Anyone know why I cannot see my profiles after I installed the update? I saw a video on Youtube, so I sort of know what to look for. I'm not seeing anything except the same Adobe Standard. I read google a bit for quick anwsers, but I am losing too much time now.
Thanks in Advance,
BBRoberts

I'm not sure what you are saying exactly. Adobe Camera RAW 5.4 support Sony A330. I saw a video on Youtube which show the profiles once installed that come up under Camera Calibration with the develop tab. LR 2.4, I believe works with Adobe Camera Profiles 5.4
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=106&platform=Windows
What I saw in the video, I cannot do, which is bring up those profiles in order to improve RAW photos to some degree as they were in the camera. I liked the demo and the improvements on color. I'm not saying I understand this very well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vC6-1m3Hkcc
thanks in advance,
BBR

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What a great move of Thomas Lester to publish all these profiles
About the installation:
Thomas refers to “C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles\Camera”, which is where LR (and ACR) stores its delivered profiles. You can put the untwisted profiles there, under your camera folder.
But, if you want to keep them separate (which I prefer), you can also put them into the user specific folder (this is also where LR puts its presets). In this case, create a folder Camera in “C:\Documents and Settings\your-user\Application Data\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles” (this is where you found the file index.dat) and copy the entire folder for your camera from the ZIP file into that Camera folder.
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SOLUTION: Beta Camera Profiles Cause Lightroom to Hang

I finally found what was killing my LR2 install. I was moving and processing images when the CPU went to 50% (one core at 100%).
I ran a file monitor program and discovered LR2 was scanning *all* the camera profiles for each image selected. This is pointless since I had them all set to ACR 4.4!!!
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Thomas, I have a few questions, if you don't mind:
"When you say scan every profile, do you mean all 300+ profiles"
Does that mean that the Camera Profile Calibration Beta packages every profile available to Adobe in the download? Thinking about it after reading this post, I only remember choosing the OS being used.
"or just the 10 or so profiles for the camera model you select?"
I didn't think that we selected the camera model, instead thought Lightroom determined the camera used (presumably from the camera model information listed in the photographs metadata) and made the profiles for that camera available in the drop-down list.
Will Adobe consider making camera profiles for each camera model available as a separate file, then let the user choose which camera profile(s) they need and download into a "profile folder." If so, it would be nice if the user could return to the download page and choose additional profiles when needed (such as when one buys the latest/greatest camera) and add them to the profile folder without over-riding or or removing profiles previously downloaded.
Without going OT about which camera systems people use and why, I would think that everyone would agree that there isn't any need to load all 300+ profiles when you only need the profiles for the camera(s) one uses. This is especially true if it causes the program to run slower than it would without all those profiles one wouldn't use anyway.
One other thing about the profile presets, if you don't mind - will Adobe also consider adding access to the camera profiles in the the Library Module's Quick Develop area near the Saved Presets option. It would be nice if you could access the profiles without switching over to the Develop Module.
Thanks, in advance, for any response provided.
Regards, JML

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Hi,
I've been going nuts with this issue for a year now since Adobe released the camera profiles for Camera Raw. Something tells me this shouldn't be happening.
Well exposed pictures taken with the D300 show an inconsistent histogram in camera raw when using the Adobe camera profiles for the D300.
This is a shame because I prefer the colour rendering of the camera profiles to that of the adobe standard profile.
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Nice pic of brain Bill. Still, I would take it without any harsh light and rather use longer exposure with tripod. You can see some sort of light source in left bottom part of brain. I assume it was a flash gun or above by lamp. Then you may get much better result ;-)
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I put some links of images to explain my point since we still talk about something else. (cannot insert pics via adobe).
http://hajes.org/img/acr/cairngorn.jpg
Brilliant example of screwed up "I have been there" photography. Exposed not very well and at worst light possible. Must go there once again and fix my incompetence.
http://hajes.org/img/acr/cairngorn2.jpg
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http://hajes.org/img/acr/hrad.jpg
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http://hajes.org/img/acr/hrad2.jpg
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http://hajes.org/img/acr/tunka.jpg
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http://hajes.org/img/acr/tunka2.jpg
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